Ideas for a better Lemmy experience
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
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- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
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- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
I prefer trying to revive dead communities. See if anybody want to be in charge of onr of those dead communities
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
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- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
I don't think we should be limiting new users from commenting or posting. And 7 days is a long time.
Auto closing communities would be really annoying, but I think dimming them or marking them in the lists/search results would be nice. I filed an issue on this already https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/3174 maybe if more people think this is a good idea they could leave comments there
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
auto closing/suspending stale communities
Define "stale" commmunities.
wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
This would not help interacting levels at all.
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Kind of useless probably, at least in the present state of Lemmy. We're not particularly overrun by new users. That would be a good problem to have.
There's been a huge wave of people (bots?) creating new accounts, posting a bunch, and then deleting their accounts after a couple of days. See: https://lemmy.world/post/39948262
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There's been a huge wave of people (bots?) creating new accounts, posting a bunch, and then deleting their accounts after a couple of days. See: https://lemmy.world/post/39948262
Ehh still seems useless, they then just have to age the accounts before posting. One thing I'd want to know is of those posts are in topic areas that anyone would want to influence surreptitiously.
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
-
- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
What is the point of "staggered new account permissions"?
At most we should be Autofolding/hiding unpopular comments.
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I don't think we should be limiting new users from commenting or posting. And 7 days is a long time.
Auto closing communities would be really annoying, but I think dimming them or marking them in the lists/search results would be nice. I filed an issue on this already https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/3174 maybe if more people think this is a good idea they could leave comments there
Could limiting new users maybe help against bot spamming?
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
I could go for closing stale communities. There are some that have been vacant/inactive for years now. I mean communities with zero posts or comments.
If somebody wanted to takeover or revive one of them, they would've done it by now.
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Could limiting new users maybe help against bot spamming?
Yes, but it would tank the user retention rate.
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Could limiting new users maybe help against bot spamming?
Maybe slightly? But not worth turning away potential new users. We need more users.
Bots and spammers would just create accounts in advance and let them sit to get to the right age, it'd be the same.
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I could go for closing stale communities. There are some that have been vacant/inactive for years now. I mean communities with zero posts or comments.
If somebody wanted to takeover or revive one of them, they would've done it by now.
A new user might come along and post something that revives interest in it. What Lemmy needs are more users to increase activity.
New users are unlikely to be interested in immediately committing to creating and/or maintaining a community with regular posts and moderation over a long period of time, but might be willing to contribute to existing communities. Better to have dormant communities that can be revived than to have a lack of topics for new users to contribute to.
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
-
- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
- Bad. Don't even need to comment on this one.
- Non-conductive: spammers can just wait it out, whereas real users get demotivated.
- Dangerous: can be used for remotely censoring queer stuff.
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
-
- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
auto closing/suspending stale communities
stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no postsNo. I've seen several times people ask the admins if they could take over a community. And it happened. Thus reviving dead communities.
staggered new account permissions:
wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.Why?
allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
This one I like.
Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.
That's not how it should be done though. The same menu that you pull out that lets you report things to a mod, instead of reporting to mod, it should let you report as NSFW. If a mod approves the request, it then becomes labeled as NSFW.
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auto closing/suspending stale communities
Define "stale" commmunities.
wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
This would not help interacting levels at all.
My proposed definition of stale is in the OP
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What is the point of "staggered new account permissions"?
At most we should be Autofolding/hiding unpopular comments.
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I think the issue is putting barriers to legit users even if it prevents some spam will keep us small.
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
-
- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
I'll give some insight from NodeBB.
Adding in delays (x days until first post, y hours until upvote, etc.) do nothing to curb spam.
If your spam is manual, they will discover the waiting period, update their rulebook, and go to town when the waiting period is over.
If the spam is automated, it will work until the spammer admin discovers the waiting period, updates the script, and has the bots resume going to town when the waiting period is over.
At the same time it severly hampers usability at its most crucial (the first post).
The only thing that works to curb spam is a post queue with manual review... or locking the ability to post links behind reputation.
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There have been a couple of posts somewhat recently asking what can be done to attract new users to the Fediverse. My answer was basically "make it something new people would want to see and stick around for". The crux of that was basically less news, less politics, less rage and more, well, anything else.
So, I would like to propose a challenge to all: Let's try that. At least for a week.
Sound good? Here's how you can participate:
If you're one who posts a lot of news/politics...stop or at least slow down. Post literally anything else. Or try to post less rage-inducing news and try to dig up the good news that's happening. Sorry !upliftingnews@lemmy.world but it's the regular news communities that are flooding the zone with every single bad thing that happens anywhere in the world, so we may be stealing some of your content with this one.
Think before posting something. Are you only posting it because you're mad about it and you think other people should be mad about it too? If so, maybe post something else. Is there already similar coverage of that? Chances are, we don't need more of it.
If you're a lurker, post something. Add your voice.
Refrain from upvoting / booting all the negativity. Yes, it may feel good to upvote for visibility because "people need to know this" but the end result is the feed turning into a list of things to rage about. If you see good/non-rage news, upvote that for visibility. I've seen many posts like that languish with a few tens of upvotes at most while the rage-inducing news gets hundreds of upvotes.
Post what makes you happy rather than what you're angry about.
Avoid dogpiling on people if they express a different opinion. I'm not saying feed the trolls or pat them on the head, just merely "disengage" or avoid the impulse to virtue dump on them and such.
If you have a hobby, share it! There's plenty of hobby communities that would greatly benefit from additional contributors. If you're boring like me, well, there's !Dullsters@dullsters.net or !dull_mens_club@lemmy.world (the latter welcomes all as the name is just a reference to the original)
Anything else you can think of to make the homepage/experience feel more welcoming and less like an angry mob (suggestions in the comments are more than welcome).
I know not everyone will participate, and that's okay. Simply adding more positivity and posting/boosting less rage can have a positive effect on what shows up on /all which is what potential new users see by default.
So, let's try this for a week and see what happens. Who knows? Maybe the established userbase will find it refreshing as well.
Who's with me?
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I'll give some insight from NodeBB.
Adding in delays (x days until first post, y hours until upvote, etc.) do nothing to curb spam.
If your spam is manual, they will discover the waiting period, update their rulebook, and go to town when the waiting period is over.
If the spam is automated, it will work until the spammer admin discovers the waiting period, updates the script, and has the bots resume going to town when the waiting period is over.
At the same time it severly hampers usability at its most crucial (the first post).
The only thing that works to curb spam is a post queue with manual review... or locking the ability to post links behind reputation.
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I think the issue is putting barriers to legit users even if it prevents some spam will keep us small.
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This stuff? https://lemmy.world/u/FYLD_Proofchain
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My proposed definition of stale is in the OP
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auto closing/suspending stale communities
stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no postsNo. I've seen several times people ask the admins if they could take over a community. And it happened. Thus reviving dead communities.
staggered new account permissions:
wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.Why?
allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
This one I like.
Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.
That's not how it should be done though. The same menu that you pull out that lets you report things to a mod, instead of reporting to mod, it should let you report as NSFW. If a mod approves the request, it then becomes labeled as NSFW.
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Bad. Don't even need to comment on this one. Non-conductive: spammers can just wait it out, whereas real users get demotivated. Dangerous: can be used for remotely censoring queer stuff.
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A new user might come along and post something that revives interest in it. What Lemmy needs are more users to increase activity.
New users are unlikely to be interested in immediately committing to creating and/or maintaining a community with regular posts and moderation over a long period of time, but might be willing to contribute to existing communities. Better to have dormant communities that can be revived than to have a lack of topics for new users to contribute to.
