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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross oh so that’s what the Trump administration is up to
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross But you're forgetting about Hawking Radiation
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross
Except the conventional definition of God there is "immanent & transcendent", which is logical since a creator entity would need to be at least partially outwith the spacetime of the universe to create it.What use one can make of two way information channel out of the universe I will leave to the high energy physics theologians.
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@cstross But you're forgetting about Hawking Radiation
@henstridge No, because at 16.5M☉ the black hole is massive enough there's going to be very little Hawking Radiation, at least for the first 10^62 or so years.
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@cstross
Except the conventional definition of God there is "immanent & transcendent", which is logical since a creator entity would need to be at least partially outwith the spacetime of the universe to create it.What use one can make of two way information channel out of the universe I will leave to the high energy physics theologians.
@HighlandLawyer Look, you can assemble the critical mass using Catholic priests or weapons-grade uranium, I don't mind as long as we get the desired result …
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross
A sin-gularity. Heh. -
From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross
Hmmm, would not that project cause all Hell to boil (or freeze) over, depending on whether souls are exo- or endothermic in going there? -
From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
Logical problem number one is while it may very well be possible to mess up the Universe, it's literally a Bad Guy trope to at least try, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that has any effect to speak of on the Heavenly plane of existence or even if that's a thing too, to have any effect on God, the foundation at the core of it all.
The rules, principles and shortcomings of our patch of existence do not necessarily limit realms beyond all ken or comprehension.
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross maybe that's why we haven't had any Jesus level miracles of late. Humanity has DDoS god.
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross I resent that I understand all of this.
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross typically fatuous assumptions at work here. why should one assume that it takes much more information to describe a million sins than to describe only one? sins generalize with ease. that's why the concept of cardinal sins exists, because sins fall readily into a compact set of abstractions, and all individual sins boil down to "being A (the sinner) willfully injured being B (the victim)" with the rest being incidental detail in the eyes of a Creator who already knows all details of Creation anyway.
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@cstross I resent that I understand all of this.
@v_perjorative So do I. So do I. (Feels old.)
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross putting the "sin" in "SYN-ACK"
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@cstross typically fatuous assumptions at work here. why should one assume that it takes much more information to describe a million sins than to describe only one? sins generalize with ease. that's why the concept of cardinal sins exists, because sins fall readily into a compact set of abstractions, and all individual sins boil down to "being A (the sinner) willfully injured being B (the victim)" with the rest being incidental detail in the eyes of a Creator who already knows all details of Creation anyway.
@cstross anyway I wouldn't worry about attacking Heaven if I were you, Charlie. God's already dead. Surely you've already been informed...
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@cstross typically fatuous assumptions at work here. why should one assume that it takes much more information to describe a million sins than to describe only one? sins generalize with ease. that's why the concept of cardinal sins exists, because sins fall readily into a compact set of abstractions, and all individual sins boil down to "being A (the sinner) willfully injured being B (the victim)" with the rest being incidental detail in the eyes of a Creator who already knows all details of Creation anyway.
@mxchara But sins are committed by sinners! Which implies more than one bit of information per sin. Indeed, there may be mitigating or modifying parameters. Every instance of a sin is unique and must be accounted for separately!
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@mxchara But sins are committed by sinners! Which implies more than one bit of information per sin. Indeed, there may be mitigating or modifying parameters. Every instance of a sin is unique and must be accounted for separately!
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@NuclearOatmeal @cstross Let's assume God operates at 37 °C, since He made man in His image, roughly 310 K, Since God is a perfect being, I'm assuming He's operating close to the Landauer principle limit, so one bit of leads to a divine energy change of something like 2.97e-21 J/bit. Using E = mc² we get that 16.5 solar masses gives an energy target of 1.79e+47 J, so we need roughly (1.79e+47 J) / (2.97e-21 J/bit) ~= 6.03e67 bits of sin to make Him collapse into Himself.
How to sin at that scale in sufficiently short time is left as an exercise to the reader.
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@mxchara But sins are committed by sinners! Which implies more than one bit of information per sin. Indeed, there may be mitigating or modifying parameters. Every instance of a sin is unique and must be accounted for separately!
@cstross I suggest that there's great compressibility of information in this case. how much distinct information is really needed? aren't all murders basically the same crime (cf. Cain murdering Abel)
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@NuclearOatmeal @cstross Let's assume God operates at 37 °C, since He made man in His image, roughly 310 K, Since God is a perfect being, I'm assuming He's operating close to the Landauer principle limit, so one bit of leads to a divine energy change of something like 2.97e-21 J/bit. Using E = mc² we get that 16.5 solar masses gives an energy target of 1.79e+47 J, so we need roughly (1.79e+47 J) / (2.97e-21 J/bit) ~= 6.03e67 bits of sin to make Him collapse into Himself.
How to sin at that scale in sufficiently short time is left as an exercise to the reader.
@NuclearOatmeal @cstross I looked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(data) hoping to find anything relevant to compare it to, but when you get to those numbers, it gets sort of difficult to find something relevant. :D
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