From bluesky:
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross
A sin-gularity. Heh. -
From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross
Hmmm, would not that project cause all Hell to boil (or freeze) over, depending on whether souls are exo- or endothermic in going there? -
From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
Logical problem number one is while it may very well be possible to mess up the Universe, it's literally a Bad Guy trope to at least try, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that has any effect to speak of on the Heavenly plane of existence or even if that's a thing too, to have any effect on God, the foundation at the core of it all.
The rules, principles and shortcomings of our patch of existence do not necessarily limit realms beyond all ken or comprehension.
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross maybe that's why we haven't had any Jesus level miracles of late. Humanity has DDoS god.
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross I resent that I understand all of this.
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross typically fatuous assumptions at work here. why should one assume that it takes much more information to describe a million sins than to describe only one? sins generalize with ease. that's why the concept of cardinal sins exists, because sins fall readily into a compact set of abstractions, and all individual sins boil down to "being A (the sinner) willfully injured being B (the victim)" with the rest being incidental detail in the eyes of a Creator who already knows all details of Creation anyway.
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@cstross I resent that I understand all of this.
@v_perjorative So do I. So do I. (Feels old.)
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross putting the "sin" in "SYN-ACK"
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@cstross typically fatuous assumptions at work here. why should one assume that it takes much more information to describe a million sins than to describe only one? sins generalize with ease. that's why the concept of cardinal sins exists, because sins fall readily into a compact set of abstractions, and all individual sins boil down to "being A (the sinner) willfully injured being B (the victim)" with the rest being incidental detail in the eyes of a Creator who already knows all details of Creation anyway.
@cstross anyway I wouldn't worry about attacking Heaven if I were you, Charlie. God's already dead. Surely you've already been informed...
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@cstross typically fatuous assumptions at work here. why should one assume that it takes much more information to describe a million sins than to describe only one? sins generalize with ease. that's why the concept of cardinal sins exists, because sins fall readily into a compact set of abstractions, and all individual sins boil down to "being A (the sinner) willfully injured being B (the victim)" with the rest being incidental detail in the eyes of a Creator who already knows all details of Creation anyway.
@mxchara But sins are committed by sinners! Which implies more than one bit of information per sin. Indeed, there may be mitigating or modifying parameters. Every instance of a sin is unique and must be accounted for separately!
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@mxchara But sins are committed by sinners! Which implies more than one bit of information per sin. Indeed, there may be mitigating or modifying parameters. Every instance of a sin is unique and must be accounted for separately!
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@NuclearOatmeal @cstross Let's assume God operates at 37 °C, since He made man in His image, roughly 310 K, Since God is a perfect being, I'm assuming He's operating close to the Landauer principle limit, so one bit of leads to a divine energy change of something like 2.97e-21 J/bit. Using E = mc² we get that 16.5 solar masses gives an energy target of 1.79e+47 J, so we need roughly (1.79e+47 J) / (2.97e-21 J/bit) ~= 6.03e67 bits of sin to make Him collapse into Himself.
How to sin at that scale in sufficiently short time is left as an exercise to the reader.
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@mxchara But sins are committed by sinners! Which implies more than one bit of information per sin. Indeed, there may be mitigating or modifying parameters. Every instance of a sin is unique and must be accounted for separately!
@cstross I suggest that there's great compressibility of information in this case. how much distinct information is really needed? aren't all murders basically the same crime (cf. Cain murdering Abel)
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@NuclearOatmeal @cstross Let's assume God operates at 37 °C, since He made man in His image, roughly 310 K, Since God is a perfect being, I'm assuming He's operating close to the Landauer principle limit, so one bit of leads to a divine energy change of something like 2.97e-21 J/bit. Using E = mc² we get that 16.5 solar masses gives an energy target of 1.79e+47 J, so we need roughly (1.79e+47 J) / (2.97e-21 J/bit) ~= 6.03e67 bits of sin to make Him collapse into Himself.
How to sin at that scale in sufficiently short time is left as an exercise to the reader.
@NuclearOatmeal @cstross I looked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(data) hoping to find anything relevant to compare it to, but when you get to those numbers, it gets sort of difficult to find something relevant. :D
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross It is important to commit sins that have never been attempted before, so that memoization and compression does not obviate the attack vector. If one is not audacious enough to shock God, one risks being reduced to a handful of reference pointers.
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@Uilebheist @cstross gawd Almighty
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross There are no gods, but they have Mass.
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@cstross I suggest that there's great compressibility of information in this case. how much distinct information is really needed? aren't all murders basically the same crime (cf. Cain murdering Abel)
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@NuclearOatmeal @cstross Let's assume God operates at 37 °C, since He made man in His image, roughly 310 K, Since God is a perfect being, I'm assuming He's operating close to the Landauer principle limit, so one bit of leads to a divine energy change of something like 2.97e-21 J/bit. Using E = mc² we get that 16.5 solar masses gives an energy target of 1.79e+47 J, so we need roughly (1.79e+47 J) / (2.97e-21 J/bit) ~= 6.03e67 bits of sin to make Him collapse into Himself.
How to sin at that scale in sufficiently short time is left as an exercise to the reader.
@Lemmus @NuclearOatmeal @cstross look, you can't say the billionaires and fascists aren't doing *their* part to kill God.
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross Heaven’s firewalls presumably can convert the raw sins into Gödel numbers, compactifying the information and reducing the entropy accumulation rate down to a safer level.
Failing that, something something holographic principle to limit the entropy density to a lower dimension than that currently immanently occupied.