I need to figure out how I can set up a self-hosted system to sell my documentary The Illusionists
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@luca grazie Luca!!! And YES I would also love a federated VOD platform. In an ideal world PeerTube would build in some monetization feature...
@elena @luca I think the answer depends a lot on how much trouble you want people to go through if they want to view it in a way that is not authorised by you.
In your situation, I would set the level at ”anything that you can do with a normal web browser without any plugins or special technical knowledge”, but I am not you, so this level might not be high enough. But I believe you need to think about what is acceptable to you.
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@elena @luca I think the answer depends a lot on how much trouble you want people to go through if they want to view it in a way that is not authorised by you.
In your situation, I would set the level at ”anything that you can do with a normal web browser without any plugins or special technical knowledge”, but I am not you, so this level might not be high enough. But I believe you need to think about what is acceptable to you.
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@elena perhaps this is a good opportunity to collaborate on a feature like this with @freebliss who wrote and continues to develop #hyper8 selfhosting video solution
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@elena " its founder worked for DOGE"
😮 😮 didn't know that.
@nicol @elena Unless one is looking to be paid only in crypto, credit card companies will be implicated. And looking at some recent-ish news, I'd be more concerned by their practices.
(Last example in date I have is them forcing steam and itch.io to delist games by pushing payment processors to pressure those stores)
This only to say, where money is involved there will always be some less than stellar actor involved.
My advice, do what you want with it as I never tried to sell content online : Look for services that anser your needs first. Then ask around to see how they treat their customers (you) and as important or maybe more : your customers.
Only then, if you have the luxury of choice, I would look at who made what and their history.
I hope you find a platform / service that's good for you though.
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@elena Is the sole reason you don't want to sell it as a digital file that you need to add the subtitles in many different languages?
Because there are video container formats that allow adding many different subtitles, and most video player software allows the user to select the subtitles they want to see. If you have the subtitles for all those different languages available, they could be added to the video.
Of course, selling digital files makes piracy more easy, so there's that.
@heinragas I'd rather make it available for streaming. With VHX (I've been on their legacy plan since it was purchased by Vimeo) I get an email every time someone rents my film... the viewers get a unique streaming link that expires after 48 hours, it's just so well done...
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@elena I have not personally tested, but you can set password to Peertube videos. Based on article I found you can set multiple passwords using API:
"Users can set a single password during the upload or update process, while admins and developers can manage multiple passwords via the REST API, offering greater flexibility in access control."
So give each customer unique password and then disable them after 48 hours.
This sound like a lot of work so I hope there are some better ways.
https://linuxiac.com/peertube-6-launches-introducing-password-protection-for-videos/
@Mika thank you but this would be too labor intensive and requires advanced knowledge.
When someone rents my film on VHX, the system takes care of everything, sending them a unique URL that's password protected and that expires after 48 hours. One could even gift the film to a friend or family member. It's simple but sophisticated at the same time...
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@elena nextcloud with share link expiration ?
@MathGon too much manual labor, sadly. With VHX the system takes care of everything (payments, sending people a unique URL that's password protected and that expires after 48 hours). I don't have to do anything...
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@elena Hm. [Several options and musing went here before I deleted them. There are several ways to do this, with varying degrees of whatever passes for security anymore.]
Faircamp will throw up a page, if you let it, to collect $ for a video or album. It could be modified to have the user input a code you send them (I'm saying a programmer could do that, not that it's part of Faircamp).
That would probably be the cleanest way to do what you want from your website. A simple script could fetch a list from a table, compare the input value, and pass/fail the visitor. If they pass, they're moved on to the movie URL. If they fail, an error message.
@steter that's really interesting, I wasn't aware of this on Faircamp. I'll keep it in mind :)
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@elena interesting - Sahil Lavingia's framing is that he'd applied to United States Digital Service under Obama, but struggled with the hiring process and found this as a way to work with the government thru 'the side door'.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91330297/doge-sahil-lavignia-gumroadI'm not sure if he was genuine but naïve or something worse. He def sounds Valley Hustle, mechanise-all-the-workers https://creativerly.com/the-dark-side-of-gumroad-how-sahil-lavingia-got-involved-with-doge/
But I also missed that he'd open sourced Gumroad - so that's another option I guess! https://github.com/antiwork/gumroad
@nicol oh wow I didn't know he had open sourced Gumroad! that's amazing. I may reconsider...
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@elena demander à @GuillaumeDesjardins qui fait https://bunseed.org il a déjà monté des plateformes auto hébergées avec financement. C'est basé sur peertube et... Ghost.
@lutindiscret @GuillaumeDesjardins oooooooh PeerTube & Ghost. That sounds incredible, like music to my ears. Definitely looking into this, thank you!
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I've often thought about this very problem for music in the #Fediverse.
Like ghost is doing for writing, it would be incredible to have a video and audio Fediverse server app.
I'm trying to get a ghost server to get people off from substack but it would be fantastic to get people off from Bandcamp too.
I call it #TakeTheInternetBack
@justbob I love this! @lutindiscret mentioned that @GuillaumeDesjardins is working on something based on PeerTube and Ghost for monetization: bunseed.org. Now looking into it
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@elena perhaps this is a good opportunity to collaborate on a feature like this with @freebliss who wrote and continues to develop #hyper8 selfhosting video solution
@prinlu @freebliss so many good suggestions! thank you! ❤️
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@elena: there is a plugin for PeerTube that lets you to hook into Stripe APIs to handle payments. Maybe that's what you are looking for?
@oaj well on VHX people rent my film (paying via Stripe) and they get via email a unique URL that they can access for 48 hours. I'm looking for something similar...
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@lutindiscret @bebop thank you for the SUPERB suggestions. I'm bookmarking everything and checking things out...
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@nicol @elena Unless one is looking to be paid only in crypto, credit card companies will be implicated. And looking at some recent-ish news, I'd be more concerned by their practices.
(Last example in date I have is them forcing steam and itch.io to delist games by pushing payment processors to pressure those stores)
This only to say, where money is involved there will always be some less than stellar actor involved.
My advice, do what you want with it as I never tried to sell content online : Look for services that anser your needs first. Then ask around to see how they treat their customers (you) and as important or maybe more : your customers.
Only then, if you have the luxury of choice, I would look at who made what and their history.
I hope you find a platform / service that's good for you though.
@antoine_ali @nicol thank you! I've been happily using VHX since 2016. They were bought by Vimeo years ago but nothing changed for me from the creator side... the site stayed the same too.
Now Vimeo has been purchased by Bendng Spoons, which has a tendency to enshttify super fast (hello Evernote, MeetUp, WeTransfer) so I'm having all kinds of alarm bells going off in my head. I need an exit strategy ASAP
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@freebliss @prinlu @jana Hyper 8 looks INCREDIBLE! Bravissimo for the great work and LMK if you ever create a monetization feature...
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@elena Is the sole reason you don't want to sell it as a digital file that you need to add the subtitles in many different languages?
Because there are video container formats that allow adding many different subtitles, and most video player software allows the user to select the subtitles they want to see. If you have the subtitles for all those different languages available, they could be added to the video.
Of course, selling digital files makes piracy more easy, so there's that.
@heinragas @elena selling the digital files also makes for a technical support challenge of the user needing to know how to set the subtitles to their preferred language in the video player software that they're using and of course requires whatever video player they open it with to support enough subtitle languages
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@heinragas @elena selling the digital files also makes for a technical support challenge of the user needing to know how to set the subtitles to their preferred language in the video player software that they're using and of course requires whatever video player they open it with to support enough subtitle languages
@trainguyrom @heinragas indeed, I thought that too
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