@nazokiyoubinbou @Viss Exactly

[cr0w@infosec.exchange]

@Viss Yeah but I also didn't want people to get all worked up because they thought I was referring to migrants or something.

[viss@mastodon.social]

@cR0w yeah, good call. the people who are just looking for any possible reason to pick a fight do still exist here, sadly

[feliscatusdomesticus@social.vivaldi.net]

@Viss eject the warp core!

[scottwilson@infosec.exchange]

@Viss @cR0w THAT’S TOTALLY NOT TRUE!

[winterknight1337@infosec.exchange]

@Viss wat

[viss@mastodon.social]

@winterknight1337 so the av company wants the slides, and i guess they manually advance the slides as the speaker does? which seems like a boatload of extra work - sec-t and securityfest just use obs and imbibe the speakers laptop as another hdmi stream and just overlay it as another rectangle and it works fine and its easier, so i suggested that labscon tell their av company do to that next year

[winterknight1337@infosec.exchange]

@Viss yeah that’s jank. Idk my roommate is an AV guy so I hear his Opinions on AV setups all the time but there seems to be a few better ways to do it.

[viss@mastodon.social]

@winterknight1337 sec-t and securityfest have av folks in-house, but labscon hires out for it, and i guess the people they hired this time around were kinda the b-team, and now they're doing some damage control

[winterknight1337@infosec.exchange]

@Viss that definitely checks out

[bert_hubert@eupolicy.social]

@Viss I once hacked up something precisely because of these reasons. It is not good but it served me well for public dashboards for years. https://blog.powerdns.com/2014/12/11/powerdns-graphing-as-a-service?hs_amp=true

[davemwilburn@infosec.exchange]

@Viss

I don't have a firm idea of your options, but I wonder whether knowing more about your intended use case might help shape advice.

What kind of data are you looking to visualize, and how/where is it stored?

Is this for single user and as-needed, or something you might want running continuously or for multiple users?

I wonder if @hrbrmstr in particular has thoughts.

[viq@social.hackerspace.pl]

@Viss
Grafana doesn't require elasticsearch unless you're doing very specific things.
And Prometheus is a central place, you install exporters for it everywhere.
You can push metrics to influxdb.
There's netdata.
Cockpit has some of that.

I'm not sure what you want, I know some/a bunch of tools, if you're up for some back and forth.

[mr_daemon@untrusted.website]

@Viss I had similar concerns when I threw out netdata for Having Become Terrible(tm).

I didn't want to setup an elasticsearch cluster just to hold metrics.

It turns out grafana itself is fairly lightweight, and you can swap out prometheus server with something like VictoriaMetrics + vmagent, which lets you do push instead of pull depending on context, and also just normal endpoint scraping.

The datasource itself can either be transparently added as a prometheus one, or as a victoriametrics one (which nets you a few query language bonuses).

It's supremely low resource usage and does not consume much disk space either, to much of my surprise. None of it require a k8s cluster just to collect metrics either.

It's worth exploring, I think.

[fritzadalis@infosec.exchange]

@Viss
SQL Server Reporting Services

[davemwilburn@infosec.exchange]

@Viss @hrbrmstr

Like, depending on what you want to do, it might be as simple as throwing your data into DuckDB and generating some time series graphs with Plotly with a tiny bit of Python in a Jupyter NB, or a dashboard built using Dash. It's been a while since I've done any of that personally, though.

[larsmb@mastodon.online]

@Viss As long as you can push whatever metrics you have into a database/store of your choice, pretty sure you can use Grafana to visualize it.

I just push my metrics to postgres and query from Grafana.

[mr_daemon@untrusted.website]

@Viss For reference also, it was all supremely trivial to configure. I put up a nuc-style PC with a N95 and 8gb of ram to hold the `graphs and shit` role in my homelab of like ~30 hosts, and it turns out that was WILDLY overspecced for the task. I don't know what kind of black magic VictoriaMetrics does in terms of storage and memory usage, but it's shockingly low.

[viss@mastodon.social]

@DaveMWilburn @hrbrmstr im building out orbital and i want graphs for it. i have a fairly robust queuing system and workers and api nodes that are passing jobs around back and forth and i need to see shit like how many jobs are in the queue, what the workers are doing, cpu/ram on the workers and api, etc.. in case i hit scaling issues early (which would be fucking epic), but i refuse to deal with the docker flavored grafana stack. its way way way topheavy

[viss@mastodon.social]

@mr_daemon youre the second person to mention victoriametrics, and i went and looked at their site and their youtube page but i cant find, like, a simple quickstart guide, or screenshots of it, or a video of someone installing it or anything. does that even exist?

[h2onolan@infosec.exchange]

@Viss what does librenms use for vis? I always liked theirs