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@winterknight1337 so the av company wants the slides, and i guess they manually advance the slides as the speaker does? which seems like a boatload of extra work - sec-t and securityfest just use obs and imbibe the speakers laptop as another hdmi stream and just overlay it as another rectangle and it works fine and its easier, so i suggested that labscon tell their av company do to that next year
@Viss yeah that’s jank. Idk my roommate is an AV guy so I hear his Opinions on AV setups all the time but there seems to be a few better ways to do it.
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@Viss yeah that’s jank. Idk my roommate is an AV guy so I hear his Opinions on AV setups all the time but there seems to be a few better ways to do it.
@winterknight1337 sec-t and securityfest have av folks in-house, but labscon hires out for it, and i guess the people they hired this time around were kinda the b-team, and now they're doing some damage control
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@winterknight1337 sec-t and securityfest have av folks in-house, but labscon hires out for it, and i guess the people they hired this time around were kinda the b-team, and now they're doing some damage control
@Viss that definitely checks out
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@Viss I once hacked up something precisely because of these reasons. It is not good but it served me well for public dashboards for years. https://blog.powerdns.com/2014/12/11/powerdns-graphing-as-a-service?hs_amp=true
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I don't have a firm idea of your options, but I wonder whether knowing more about your intended use case might help shape advice.
What kind of data are you looking to visualize, and how/where is it stored?
Is this for single user and as-needed, or something you might want running continuously or for multiple users?
I wonder if @hrbrmstr in particular has thoughts.
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@Viss
Grafana doesn't require elasticsearch unless you're doing very specific things.
And Prometheus is a central place, you install exporters for it everywhere.
You can push metrics to influxdb.
There's netdata.
Cockpit has some of that.I'm not sure what you want, I know some/a bunch of tools, if you're up for some back and forth.
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@Viss I had similar concerns when I threw out netdata for Having Become Terrible(tm).
I didn't want to setup an elasticsearch cluster just to hold metrics.
It turns out grafana itself is fairly lightweight, and you can swap out prometheus server with something like VictoriaMetrics + vmagent, which lets you do push instead of pull depending on context, and also just normal endpoint scraping.
The datasource itself can either be transparently added as a prometheus one, or as a victoriametrics one (which nets you a few query language bonuses).
It's supremely low resource usage and does not consume much disk space either, to much of my surprise. None of it require a k8s cluster just to collect metrics either.
It's worth exploring, I think.
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@Viss
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I don't have a firm idea of your options, but I wonder whether knowing more about your intended use case might help shape advice.
What kind of data are you looking to visualize, and how/where is it stored?
Is this for single user and as-needed, or something you might want running continuously or for multiple users?
I wonder if @hrbrmstr in particular has thoughts.
Like, depending on what you want to do, it might be as simple as throwing your data into DuckDB and generating some time series graphs with Plotly with a tiny bit of Python in a Jupyter NB, or a dashboard built using Dash. It's been a while since I've done any of that personally, though.
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@Viss As long as you can push whatever metrics you have into a database/store of your choice, pretty sure you can use Grafana to visualize it.
I just push my metrics to postgres and query from Grafana.
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@Viss I had similar concerns when I threw out netdata for Having Become Terrible(tm).
I didn't want to setup an elasticsearch cluster just to hold metrics.
It turns out grafana itself is fairly lightweight, and you can swap out prometheus server with something like VictoriaMetrics + vmagent, which lets you do push instead of pull depending on context, and also just normal endpoint scraping.
The datasource itself can either be transparently added as a prometheus one, or as a victoriametrics one (which nets you a few query language bonuses).
It's supremely low resource usage and does not consume much disk space either, to much of my surprise. None of it require a k8s cluster just to collect metrics either.
It's worth exploring, I think.
@Viss For reference also, it was all supremely trivial to configure. I put up a nuc-style PC with a N95 and 8gb of ram to hold the `graphs and shit` role in my homelab of like ~30 hosts, and it turns out that was WILDLY overspecced for the task. I don't know what kind of black magic VictoriaMetrics does in terms of storage and memory usage, but it's shockingly low.
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Like, depending on what you want to do, it might be as simple as throwing your data into DuckDB and generating some time series graphs with Plotly with a tiny bit of Python in a Jupyter NB, or a dashboard built using Dash. It's been a while since I've done any of that personally, though.
@DaveMWilburn @hrbrmstr im building out orbital and i want graphs for it. i have a fairly robust queuing system and workers and api nodes that are passing jobs around back and forth and i need to see shit like how many jobs are in the queue, what the workers are doing, cpu/ram on the workers and api, etc.. in case i hit scaling issues early (which would be fucking epic), but i refuse to deal with the docker flavored grafana stack. its way way way topheavy
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@Viss For reference also, it was all supremely trivial to configure. I put up a nuc-style PC with a N95 and 8gb of ram to hold the `graphs and shit` role in my homelab of like ~30 hosts, and it turns out that was WILDLY overspecced for the task. I don't know what kind of black magic VictoriaMetrics does in terms of storage and memory usage, but it's shockingly low.
@mr_daemon youre the second person to mention victoriametrics, and i went and looked at their site and their youtube page but i cant find, like, a simple quickstart guide, or screenshots of it, or a video of someone installing it or anything. does that even exist?
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@Viss what does librenms use for vis? I always liked theirs
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@Viss As long as you can push whatever metrics you have into a database/store of your choice, pretty sure you can use Grafana to visualize it.
I just push my metrics to postgres and query from Grafana.
@larsmb i wonder if theres a simple snmp connector for grafana that skips all that other crap
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@Viss what does librenms use for vis? I always liked theirs
@h2onolan thats a good question - i have no idea. I need to build out some kinda monitoring/alerting system for orbital after this hetzner nonsense. i need to know the instant a scanning node goes away if some cloud host decides they dont ilke me anymore and doesnt say anything first.
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@Viss Since InfluxDB added some graphing ability to their system in V2, I've not used Grafana.
I find I'm able to run the InfluxDB container, and then telegraf on the sources, and have a much smaller footprint.
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@larsmb i wonder if theres a simple snmp connector for grafana that skips all that other crap
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@DaveMWilburn @hrbrmstr im building out orbital and i want graphs for it. i have a fairly robust queuing system and workers and api nodes that are passing jobs around back and forth and i need to see shit like how many jobs are in the queue, what the workers are doing, cpu/ram on the workers and api, etc.. in case i hit scaling issues early (which would be fucking epic), but i refuse to deal with the docker flavored grafana stack. its way way way topheavy
@DaveMWilburn @hrbrmstr chiefly, basic system info. disk, ram, cpu, network usage at a minimum, if its got hooks to showme postres stats, that would be rad, bonus points for it can show me rabbitmq stats.
thats basically it.
i just need dashboard lights for my asm scanning platform so that when i do the big linkedin (urk) post announcing the promo and new pricing, and if i get a swell of new customers, i want to see that shit scale livebyobu is great for that, but no history
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@mr_daemon youre the second person to mention victoriametrics, and i went and looked at their site and their youtube page but i cant find, like, a simple quickstart guide, or screenshots of it, or a video of someone installing it or anything. does that even exist?
@Viss
I believe they just assume everyone will just use grafana.
As far as working with vicoriametrics, the query syntax is very much like Prometheus, and concepts are similar.
@mr_daemon
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