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Is Pixelfed sawing off the branch that the Fediverse is sitting on?

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  • You jest, but I'm pretty sure someone out there made a cli interface for AP.

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  • But your saying Peertube should have all the forum functionality of Lemmy, and the endless short video scroll of Loops.

    rgluilis suggested a generic server idea, where the media and experience differentiating is done at the client app level. That could work well. But that's an entirely different cincpet and structure.

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  • If I have a mutual who is on multiple platforms, and I also have accounts on those same multiple platforms, we would generally be following each other mutually on those same platforms.

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  • And that's great! Everyone gets what they want. But suggesting Lemmy, Pixelfed, and Peertube, etc. should all try to do it the way Friendica does, is a bad idea.

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  • So like a single ActivityPub instance that hosts all the data, but users can have a Pixelfed app, Lemmy app, etc. all connect to that one server and use it to give the experience they specifically provide.

    That's a cool idea. I can see how that would work.

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  • I sure do like this picture:
    picture of fediverse mascots sitting on a branch on a tree

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  • I can from a number of other Fediverse platforms. I may not be able to follow you on Lemmy like I can follow a community, but I can still find your account to see your posts and comments, and that limitation doesn't really impact me having to have per-instance accounts versus having a fediverse-wide account. I have probably a dozen fediverse accounts across multiple platforms. I want to have my fediverse identity able to access all fediverse platforms and that other people using that platform can find me as.

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  • Yes, people do. Thankfully we as a community aren't bound to corporate shareholders, so it doesn't matter how many people choose to use it, we don't have a need to increase users. While we don't have a fiduciary duty to be kind for similar reasons, I think it is generally a good idea to do so. In my experience when I have used words/phrase like "everybody" "nobody" or "people don't" some have told me they found it off-putting or belittling when they are in the minority so I try to avoid it but I still find it hard sometimes as that is not the way I was taught to speak in government indoctrination camp so there is a lot of de-schooling I need to do.

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    I think I have identified a fairly significant flaw in how the #Fediverse currently operates. Hear me out.The Fediverse currently consists of all sorts of different systems - #Mastodon, #Friendica , #Pixelfed , #PeerTube, #BookWyrm , and so forth. And while they are all connected via the #ActivityPub protocol, they all have different functionalities and different ways of presenting themselves. Which is as it should be, because Diversity Is Our Strength(TM).However, it is here that the ActivityPub-based interactivity hits its limits - for usually, you can either experience the relevant system as it was intended, or you can interact with it, but not both - _unless_ you have an account on the same system (though not necessarily on the same instance).Let's say that you are a Mastodon user who looks at another person's BookWyrm page. You scroll through their books, posts, and comments. Then you see some comment you want to comment on yourself, but can you do so?Not directly. You need to figure out the URL of their comment, and then copy and paste that comment into the search bar of your Mastodon instance. Then it will show up in the same format as a Mastodon post, and you can interact with it - boost it, like it, comment on it.Sure, it works, but it's a whole lot of tedious effort.Or you can search for the user account in Mastodon and scroll through all their posts and comments as if they were a Mastodon user - and thus, you will miss out on all the unique user interface features of BookWyrm.So what is missing?Well, Mastodon already has an "Open original page" feature when looking at someone's post. What we need is an "Open original page AND AUTHENTICATE" feature. This way, the target instance (whatever software they are using) could acknowledge the viewer as an external user who could nevertheless fully interact with the local user interface, including the ability to boost, like, and make comments.This is something that should be theoretically possible to implement, right? #FediHelp
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    Now witness the power of this fully operational Fediverse!https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/11/now-witness-the-power-of-this-fully-operational-fediverse/How can you measure the popularity of a social network site? Perhaps by counting the number of active accounts, or the quality of the discourse, or even how many people reply to your witty memes.Me? I prefer to look at how many people visit my blog from each site. It is an imperfect measure - and a vain one - but lets me know where I should be spending my time. No point posting on a network which is just bots talking to each other, right?Earlier this year I built a stats-counter for my blog. Every time someone clicks from a website which links to my blog, it records that visit in a database. I get to see which blog posts are doing numbers, and where those numbers came from.Until fairly recently, the Mastodon social network didn't send referer details. I thought that reduced the visibility of the network and lobbied for it to change. As various Mastodon servers upgrade, and admins opt-in, it is becoming more apparent just how much traffic originates from the Fediverse.Over the last few weeks, here's how many people have clicked from BlueSky and Mastodon to one of my blog posts.TotalSource1,607bsky.app752mastodon.socialAt first glance, it doesn't look good for our elephantine friends, does it? The butterfly sends over twice the traffic. Game over!But, of course, while Mastodon.social is the biggest instance - it is far from the only one. What happens if we slide down the long tail? Here's all the Mastodon-ish instances which sent me over 10 clicks.TotalSource193phanpy.social120 android-app://org.joinmastodon.android/106infosec.exchange62mas.to59mstdn.social55social.vivaldi.net49wandering.shop48fosstodon.org33mathstodon.xyz27mastodon.online26mastodon.scot24app.wafrn.net19indieweb.social18social.lol17tech.lgbt17toot.wales16en.osm.town16feditrends.com14mstdn.ca14piefed.social12wetdry.world11c.im11mastodon.nl51 Sites sending < 10 clicksAh! Add them all up and you get a grand total of 1,773 visitors from Mastodon-powered sites. That's more than BlueSky.Now, there are some obvious caveats to the data:I have a smaller follower count on BlueSky than I do on Mastodon.My posts may appeal more to one demographic than another.People may have strict privacy controls which suppress the true volume of visitors.There's no way to measure how long someone spends reading my posts.RSS and newsletter visitors aren't counted.Clicks from apps may not always show a referer.Some people may be on multiple services.Fediverse users can follow the post directly, so don't need to visit the site to read it.And yet… no matter how you slice it, Fediverse servers are sending as much traffic as BlueSky!I think this is brilliant. Web services should be able to scale from small to big - and each ActivityPub-powered site helps power the open Internet.Just for completeness, this is how Reddit, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and Lemmy do over the same period:TotalSource1,158reddit.com585 android-app://com.reddit.frontpage/76facebook.com76https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/56https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/52youtube.com41t.co38https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1nsw7f4/til_in_mongolia_instead_of_a_street_address_a/31linkedin.com27 android-app://io.syncapps.lemmy_sync/27https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1nsw7f4/til_in_mongolia_instead_of_a_street_address_a/22https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1n96ftn/40_years_later_are_bentleys_programming_pearls/22lemmy.ca17 android-app://com.linkedin.android/16lemmy.dbzer0.com14feddit.org11https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1n96ftn/40_years_later_are_bentleys_programming_pearls/10discuss.tchncs.de10l.instagram.com8lemmy.blahaj.zone6https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/1m2l84b/considering_making_the_switch_does_google_pay/6reddthat.comIf you add up all the Lemmy instances, they send about as much traffic as Facebook and LinkedIn combined. That's not a huge surprise - those platforms hate anyone clicking away to the wider web.Twitter is basically the Dead Internet. I'm no longer on there, but I do occasionally search it to see who is sharing my posts. The popular posts I write get shared a lot - sometimes by accounts with huge followers - yet there are no comments or retweets and barely and clicks.I don't do Instagram or Threads, and that might be reflected in their low numbers. But I'm not active on YouTube either - yet people there occasionally link back to me.Final ThoughtsFirstly, my stats only represent my site. Your site might be very different.Secondly, I've ignored search engine traffic, big blogs, newsletters, and other sources.Thirdly, and most importantly, this isn't a competition! The desire for a "winner-takes-all" service is dangerous and disturbing. An ecosystem is at its most vibrant when there are multiple participants each thriving in their own niche.I want a thousand sites, running a hundred different software stacks, some of which only serve a dozen people, or even a lone participant.Diversity is strength.#activitypub #bluesky #fediverse #mastodon #statistics
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    🎤 Und es wird noch spannender – am Samstag gibt’s mehr Talks beim #Fediday! 🌐✨🔹 Protocol Convergence within Open Science Communication Networks👤 @cypherhippie🔹 Jenseits der 500 Zeichen – Makroblogging im #Fediverse👤 @pfefferleSeid dabei! 🚀💬
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    @ben @ProPublica thanks for all you do!