Is Pixelfed sawing off the branch that the Fediverse is sitting on?
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The problem is not "you ordered a pizza yet are complaining it isn't a salad". The problem is you are selling pizzas and salads, but the middleman is undercutting you on the delivery of the pizzas, leaving your clients with the fake impression you sell only salads and/or provide a bad service.
All that said, from an interface design perspective the current mode is exactly how it should happen. Pixelfed and pretty much everything else are purposefully subset-specific apps. All that's needed is the reminder (as visible as possible) that content you are looking at is incomplete and you can find the more complete version on this or that URL or app. Same principle as if I wanted to eg.: design a "hashtag explorer" for the Fediverse. I'd focus on that instead of the posts (and pictures); but what I can't ethically do is prevent my users from discovering their existence.
All that's needed is the reminder (as visible as possible) that content you are looking at is incomplete and you can find the more complete version on this or that URL or app.
That's what Mbin does, it displays a banner on federated user profiles explaining that they may be incomplete, with a link to the same profile on the originating instance.
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Yes but being able to do that is a design goal of the fediverse
Is it?
Because that seems really dumb.Why would any specific niche service want to duplicate the features and functions of every single other niche service? The whole point is to have different experiences and uses, that might be able to (however works for them) interoperate as they see fit.
It's a terrible idea that they should all try to eventually do all the same everything.
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What’s thr point of making pixelfed just another mastodon type app.
The problem is the Fediverse could be a lot more than just "decentralized versions of existing apps". Most people now have this app-centric mentality because it was beneficial for Big Tech sharecropping, not because it was better for us.
We shouldn't need different types of apps to see different types of feeds and to sort our data in ways that we want.
We don't need all fediverse platforms to be a Mastodon clone, we can instead have certain fediverse clients that have a global feed for displaying from all the fediverse and specific feeds for each type of content (videos, texts, images).
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Well, Mastodon will show everything in the feed, no matter if it's a video, a short blog, a long blog, a picture, a podcast, whatever. Mastodon is (primarily) microblogging in terms of output, but an everything platform with a chronological feed in terms of input.
This is where this user seems to get confused - they expect everything on the fediverse to display every type of content, just like Mastodon strives to do. Which is, as you said, ridiculous. If PixelFed was to display audio content and Funkwhale was to display pictures, what would be the point of these services in the first place? If they want everything to be Mastodon, why don't they just stick to Mastodon? Maybe Pixelfed users have no interest in reading their dumb blog posts?
Well, Mastodon will show everything in the feed, no matter if it’s a video, a short blog, a** long blog**, a picture, a podcast, whatever.
Doesn't the long blog simply got truncated to 500 characters and link you to the original content? Which is very not user friendly
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this is a dumbest opinion out of all the dumb fediverse opinions i've read.
I go to pixelfed to post my art and view other peoples art. that's it. I don't go there to read posts or what's going on in peoples lives. For that I have Akkoma/Mastodon. If I want further interaction and discussion I have Piefed/Lemmy.
this blog post just reeks of "I need my voice to be heard on all the various platforms at the same time and I don't want to go to each individual platform to do it" well I'm sorry cupcake that's now how things work. Why isn't this person complaining about Piefeed posts not showing up on Mastodon or vice versa?
If I sign up to Instagram I don't expect to see facebook posts. Most people understand this concept. People aren't going to go to Pixelfeed and then assume they instantly have access to view Mastodon and Lemmy at the same time.
If I sign up to Instagram I don’t expect to see facebook posts. Most people understand this concept.
Actually posts on one can be available on the other. And you can see Instagram posts on Threads, too.
Similarly, I can follow Pixelfed users from Mastodon and see their posts, and they can follow me back and see my Mastodon posts with photo attachments.
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We don't need all fediverse platforms to be a Mastodon clone, we can instead have certain fediverse clients that have a global feed for displaying from all the fediverse and specific feeds for each type of content (videos, texts, images).
We don’t need all fediverse platforms to be a Mastodon clone
We don't need platforms.
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Is it?
Because that seems really dumb.Why would any specific niche service want to duplicate the features and functions of every single other niche service? The whole point is to have different experiences and uses, that might be able to (however works for them) interoperate as they see fit.
It's a terrible idea that they should all try to eventually do all the same everything.
It’s a terrible idea that they should all try to eventually do all the same everything.
I don't want them all to do the same thing, but I don't want to have to have a separate identity on each one and have to redundantly follow people on the multiple platforms.
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What’s thr point of making pixelfed just another mastodon type app.
The problem is the Fediverse could be a lot more than just "decentralized versions of existing apps". Most people now have this app-centric mentality because it was beneficial for Big Tech sharecropping, not because it was better for us.
We shouldn't need different types of apps to see different types of feeds and to sort our data in ways that we want.
I think you might be conflating two things. Right now the Fediverse largely looks like you just described. It's in it's infancy, trying to copy what it sees around it. Eventually it'll become a rebellious teen and forge it's on seperate identity. That's inevitable. I wouldn't worry about it.
It's a very different thing though, saying all the apps need to integrate all the features and experience of every other app, so they're all largely the same and there's never a need to use more than one. That sounds like a terrible idea.
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We don’t need all fediverse platforms to be a Mastodon clone
We don't need platforms.
A technology platform is the foundation for building and running business applications. The platform allows users to run their applications smoothly without worrying about the technology that supports them. At the same time, it allows technical staff to rapidly extend, enhance, or upgrade application software, increasing the speed of business.
https://www.sap.com/canada/products/technology-platform/what-is-a-technology-platform.html
Pixelfed is definitely a platform . You only heard the term in context of centralized big social media so you think the term has bad connotation
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I think you might be conflating two things. Right now the Fediverse largely looks like you just described. It's in it's infancy, trying to copy what it sees around it. Eventually it'll become a rebellious teen and forge it's on seperate identity. That's inevitable. I wouldn't worry about it.
It's a very different thing though, saying all the apps need to integrate all the features and experience of every other app, so they're all largely the same and there's never a need to use more than one. That sounds like a terrible idea.
No, far from me saying that the clients (apps?) need to look the same. What I am saying is that the differentiation should be happening at the client, not the server.
It's the thing with Communick. I wish I didn't have to offer separate instances for each of the services (Mastodon, Lemmy, Funkwhale) but that every member could get one account which then could use as their main fediverse actor, regardless of "frontend" suited them best. The shell should adapt to the user, instead of the user being forced to adapt to the application.
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this is a dumbest opinion out of all the dumb fediverse opinions i've read.
I go to pixelfed to post my art and view other peoples art. that's it. I don't go there to read posts or what's going on in peoples lives. For that I have Akkoma/Mastodon. If I want further interaction and discussion I have Piefed/Lemmy.
this blog post just reeks of "I need my voice to be heard on all the various platforms at the same time and I don't want to go to each individual platform to do it" well I'm sorry cupcake that's now how things work. Why isn't this person complaining about Piefeed posts not showing up on Mastodon or vice versa?
If I sign up to Instagram I don't expect to see facebook posts. Most people understand this concept. People aren't going to go to Pixelfeed and then assume they instantly have access to view Mastodon and Lemmy at the same time.
wait, Piefed posts don't show up on Mastodon?
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It’s a terrible idea that they should all try to eventually do all the same everything.
I don't want them all to do the same thing, but I don't want to have to have a separate identity on each one and have to redundantly follow people on the multiple platforms.
You can't follow people on Lemmy or Piefed, and everybody here seems fine with that
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A technology platform is the foundation for building and running business applications. The platform allows users to run their applications smoothly without worrying about the technology that supports them. At the same time, it allows technical staff to rapidly extend, enhance, or upgrade application software, increasing the speed of business.
https://www.sap.com/canada/products/technology-platform/what-is-a-technology-platform.html
Pixelfed is definitely a platform . You only heard the term in context of centralized big social media so you think the term has bad connotation
You only heard the term in context of centralized big social media so you think the term has bad connotation
Please, don't assume things about the people on the other side of a debate. It's condescending and it robs us all of learning.
I'm not saying that we don't need platforms because of "bad connotation". I'm saying it because I have worked on a "social browser" for the fediverse, an application server for using activitypub as a transport mechanism and I know that we can develop an open social web that does not rely on server-centric applications.
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Is it?
Because that seems really dumb.Why would any specific niche service want to duplicate the features and functions of every single other niche service? The whole point is to have different experiences and uses, that might be able to (however works for them) interoperate as they see fit.
It's a terrible idea that they should all try to eventually do all the same everything.
It might not be what you want, but it is what I want, which is why my primary social media is Friendica because IMHO it does a really good job of working well with all. They have dedicated photo albums, lemmy communities show as Friendica Forums, etc.
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You can't follow people on Lemmy or Piefed, and everybody here seems fine with that
which is one of the great advantages of the Fedi verse, because you can if you want to. Mbin lets you, Frienidca lets you, and Mastodon lets you. I don't like how Mastodon handles lemmy communities or Friendica Forums by making it look as though the group user re-toots every post and comment, but others do! We can all have what we want thanks to the magic of Free Software!
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which is one of the great advantages of the Fedi verse, because you can if you want to. Mbin lets you, Frienidca lets you, and Mastodon lets you. I don't like how Mastodon handles lemmy communities or Friendica Forums by making it look as though the group user re-toots every post and comment, but others do! We can all have what we want thanks to the magic of Free Software!
Of course people can, but do they? In terms of monthly active users:
- https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats: 35.000
- https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats: 1600
- https://mbin.fediverse.observer/dailystats: 736
Everybody can interpret those numbers differently, to me they show that people on the Threadiverse don't care about the microblogging format that much.
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Is it?
Because that seems really dumb.Why would any specific niche service want to duplicate the features and functions of every single other niche service? The whole point is to have different experiences and uses, that might be able to (however works for them) interoperate as they see fit.
It's a terrible idea that they should all try to eventually do all the same everything.
I go to pixelfed to post my art and view other peoples art. that’s it. I don’t go there to read posts or what’s going on in peoples lives.
Yes but being able to do that is a design goal of the fediverse
Is it? Beause that seems really dumb.
Here's a radical idea: sometimes, web services are built with features you don't use. Sometimes you don't even *value *those features. But, in cases where your preference isn't in the majority, the decision to include those features won't match your personal preference.
Sometimes, the ability to share and see content between different sites is even a core value.
Weird.
For more information, search "false consensus".
You may want to learn how you can configure your own accounts on various services to manage what you see on each one. Because, to some extent, that's a configuration option.
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They [partially] did, https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/106617110297151132
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It’s a terrible idea that they should all try to eventually do all the same everything.
I don't want them all to do the same thing, but I don't want to have to have a separate identity on each one and have to redundantly follow people on the multiple platforms.
Why would you follow the same accounts on multiple platforms?
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Of course people can, but do they? In terms of monthly active users:
- https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats: 35.000
- https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats: 1600
- https://mbin.fediverse.observer/dailystats: 736
Everybody can interpret those numbers differently, to me they show that people on the Threadiverse don't care about the microblogging format that much.
Yes, people do. Thankfully we as a community aren't bound to corporate shareholders, so it doesn't matter how many people choose to use it, we don't have a need to increase users. While we don't have a fiduciary duty to be kind for similar reasons, I think it is generally a good idea to do so. In my experience when I have used words/phrase like "everybody" "nobody" or "people don't" some have told me they found it off-putting or belittling when they are in the minority so I try to avoid it but I still find it hard sometimes as that is not the way I was taught to speak in government indoctrination camp so there is a lot of de-schooling I need to do.
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You jest, but I'm pretty sure someone out there made a cli interface for AP.
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But your saying Peertube should have all the forum functionality of Lemmy, and the endless short video scroll of Loops.
rgluilis suggested a generic server idea, where the media and experience differentiating is done at the client app level. That could work well. But that's an entirely different cincpet and structure.
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If I have a mutual who is on multiple platforms, and I also have accounts on those same multiple platforms, we would generally be following each other mutually on those same platforms.
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And that's great! Everyone gets what they want. But suggesting Lemmy, Pixelfed, and Peertube, etc. should all try to do it the way Friendica does, is a bad idea.
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So like a single ActivityPub instance that hosts all the data, but users can have a Pixelfed app, Lemmy app, etc. all connect to that one server and use it to give the experience they specifically provide.
That's a cool idea. I can see how that would work.
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I sure do like this picture:
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I can from a number of other Fediverse platforms. I may not be able to follow you on Lemmy like I can follow a community, but I can still find your account to see your posts and comments, and that limitation doesn't really impact me having to have per-instance accounts versus having a fediverse-wide account. I have probably a dozen fediverse accounts across multiple platforms. I want to have my fediverse identity able to access all fediverse platforms and that other people using that platform can find me as.
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Yes, people do. Thankfully we as a community aren't bound to corporate shareholders, so it doesn't matter how many people choose to use it, we don't have a need to increase users. While we don't have a fiduciary duty to be kind for similar reasons, I think it is generally a good idea to do so. In my experience when I have used words/phrase like "everybody" "nobody" or "people don't" some have told me they found it off-putting or belittling when they are in the minority so I try to avoid it but I still find it hard sometimes as that is not the way I was taught to speak in government indoctrination camp so there is a lot of de-schooling I need to do.
