Pretty interesting read, especially the historical detour.https://research.swtch.com/fp-knuth

[vitaut@mastodon.social]

Pretty interesting read, especially the historical detour.
https://research.swtch.com/fp-knuth

[vitaut@mastodon.social]

Ivy is kinda cryptic though, Python has all the same functionality but in a sensible form

[vitaut@mastodon.social]

This is just bonkers: "Ivy uses strict right-to-left operator precedence: 1+2*3+4 means (1+(2*(3+4)))"

[artificialmind@fosstodon.org]

@vitaut that reminds me how Go tries to gaslight "simple = good" as well. Uniform operator precedence is simpler and thus better amiright

[shac@ioc.exchange]

@vitaut As a right-to-left language reader, I still hate it

[ids1024@mathstodon.xyz]

@artificialmind @vitaut If you're going for "simple" syntax in that sense, just use Lisp.

Otherwise implement operator precedence.

[vitaut@mastodon.social]

@ids1024 @artificialmind I had lisp but after therapy it's better now

[n1vux@mastodon.radio]

@vitaut
It's a choice.
There are tradeoffs.
APL family of languages mades this heretical choice mid last century to simplify parsing and enable higher order operators unambiguously.

For purpose of reasoning about a program formally, simple unambiguous grammar helps.

Not going to be popular for real work!

(HP RPN calculators and Forth similarly but for different advantages: no parentheses in artihmetic at all. Lisp takes the opposite extreme, paren all the things.)