I've been shushing people who say there won't be free #elections in the #USA anymore
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@benroyce regardless how I have been “mistaken” about the core values of this country… it still has to be said that there are enough of us who believe that this is the “land of the free and the home of the brave” for ANYONE who calls this country their home… and that’s the country that I want to see “reborn” as it were… and none of this white-supremacy Nazi tolerance. 😾✊🗽
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This whole era has taught me so many on the right are ignorant bigots. Which you could say I should have known and I agree but I did expect more infighting and not such vast meek complicit silence from so called "patriotic conservatives" against obvious fascism
But also much more sadly many on the left are impotent spineless whiners who won't fight
Vote. Protest
Wringing your hands and paralyzed in mindless cynicism and toxic idealism is just pure loser
@benroyce @em_and_future_cats When you say "the right" do you mean "the American right" or "the right everywhere except the US"? Because *normal* moderate right are only slightly bigoted. The Democrats are moderate right (which hasn't really changed for their very long history, significantly longer than the party that calls themselves old), the Republicans are literal extremists, though they weren't always.
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@benroyce @em_and_future_cats When you say "the right" do you mean "the American right" or "the right everywhere except the US"? Because *normal* moderate right are only slightly bigoted. The Democrats are moderate right (which hasn't really changed for their very long history, significantly longer than the party that calls themselves old), the Republicans are literal extremists, though they weren't always.
I agree but absolute ideological position globally has no meaning. The left in Saudi Arabia might be to the right of the right in Denmark but the only metric that matters is the push and pull to either side of the ideological center of a particular country
It does no good to say "the left in the USA is the right somewhere else" because all we care about is making the USA more left. We work with what is and iterate. This perspective is the only effective perspective
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I agree but absolute ideological position globally has no meaning. The left in Saudi Arabia might be to the right of the right in Denmark but the only metric that matters is the push and pull to either side of the ideological center of a particular country
It does no good to say "the left in the USA is the right somewhere else" because all we care about is making the USA more left. We work with what is and iterate. This perspective is the only effective perspective
@benroyce @em_and_future_cats I mostly disagree. By any definition, the Democrats are conservative, they maintain the status quo, only doing the minimum to show that they're better than Republicans, and they *definitely* are, don't get me wrong. Now, it's entirely reasonable to argue that conservative and right-wing don't mean the same thing, but they usually do. The closest the US has to a left wing, the Green party, is a joke, something to make the Democrats' centric stance more reasonable.
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@benroyce @em_and_future_cats I mostly disagree. By any definition, the Democrats are conservative, they maintain the status quo, only doing the minimum to show that they're better than Republicans, and they *definitely* are, don't get me wrong. Now, it's entirely reasonable to argue that conservative and right-wing don't mean the same thing, but they usually do. The closest the US has to a left wing, the Green party, is a joke, something to make the Democrats' centric stance more reasonable.
Again you're absolutely right. I'm just asserting that the functional perspective is more important than the structural perspective. We both want the USA to be more left. I'm concerning myself with how to do that while meanwhile this 10,000 foot view of the status quo you're providing while accurate doesn't provide any analytical value of how to do that.
We start where we are and iterate left. That where we start sucks is true but noting that it sucks doesn't help
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Again you're absolutely right. I'm just asserting that the functional perspective is more important than the structural perspective. We both want the USA to be more left. I'm concerning myself with how to do that while meanwhile this 10,000 foot view of the status quo you're providing while accurate doesn't provide any analytical value of how to do that.
We start where we are and iterate left. That where we start sucks is true but noting that it sucks doesn't help
@benroyce @em_and_future_cats I think I see what you're getting at. I think, though, that letting Democrats be called "left" lets them off the hook to be better. It makes it seem like someone having an opinion between the Democrats and Republicans is a reasonable position when, really, that just makes them a less extreme extremist. Democrats should be seen as the compromise, the centric position (even though they're more like slightly right-wing).
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@benroyce @em_and_future_cats I think I see what you're getting at. I think, though, that letting Democrats be called "left" lets them off the hook to be better. It makes it seem like someone having an opinion between the Democrats and Republicans is a reasonable position when, really, that just makes them a less extreme extremist. Democrats should be seen as the compromise, the centric position (even though they're more like slightly right-wing).
Because of the FPTP voting system 3rd party only divides the left and hands MAGA the win. So we are stuck with the need to take over, gut and cannibalize the democratic party and make it an apparatus of the left. And we can that. The centrists are weak and the anger is strong
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@benroyce
There is no one as tedious and annoying as the "both sides suck" "you're just voting for the lesser of two evils" edgelords -
@benroyce
There is no one as tedious and annoying as the "both sides suck" "you're just voting for the lesser of two evils" edgelords -
Nevermind that a lesser evil is all you will ever get, in any timeline, in any country, in any election
Now and forever
If a literal demigod descended from the heavens with angels singing and ran in an election, typical politics would paint them as evil one way or another in contrived fashion, people would nod along in the usual lazy cynicism, and thus they would just be the lesser evil
Toxic idealists and mindless cynics are fucking stupid losers
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Because if a candidate is not perfect I can't taint my perfect soul. And before I vote I have to feel like my vote is a statement of eternal love. Only then will I vote
Oh if I don't vote I help fascism win?
Well my holy sense of self-regard and my perfectionist ego masturbation is far more important than my entitled lazy inaction resulting in goons murdering people in the streets, don't you know
🤮🤮🤮
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Because if a candidate is not perfect I can't taint my perfect soul. And before I vote I have to feel like my vote is a statement of eternal love. Only then will I vote
Oh if I don't vote I help fascism win?
Well my holy sense of self-regard and my perfectionist ego masturbation is far more important than my entitled lazy inaction resulting in goons murdering people in the streets, don't you know
🤮🤮🤮
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@mastodonmigration @dlundh @Asbestos
I've got 50k such comments under my belt
I've got 200k more to go
Until my anger at nonvoting assholes who helped get us MAGA in power is quenched
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Because of the FPTP voting system 3rd party only divides the left and hands MAGA the win. So we are stuck with the need to take over, gut and cannibalize the democratic party and make it an apparatus of the left. And we can that. The centrists are weak and the anger is strong
@benroyce @em_and_future_cats Oh, absolutely, I'm definitely not suggesting voting for third party candidates, at least not at a federal level. There is *some* benefit, sometimes, to voting for a third party at a state level, and there's usually benefit to third party votes at a county and city level. As long as the system is plurality, Democrats will continue to get my endorsement, but I'll be damned if I let them off the hook for being centrists.
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@benroyce @em_and_future_cats Oh, absolutely, I'm definitely not suggesting voting for third party candidates, at least not at a federal level. There is *some* benefit, sometimes, to voting for a third party at a state level, and there's usually benefit to third party votes at a county and city level. As long as the system is plurality, Democrats will continue to get my endorsement, but I'll be damned if I let them off the hook for being centrists.
might i suggest a perspective shift
I mean i don't differ with anything you say but i think it's important
"The democrats" is not some entity we should consider or even characterize. Simply because that mental framework is not useful and even counterproductive
"The democrats" are just an empty shell we fill with our will (or don't, if we don't vote)
That everything we dislike about the democrats is a direct consequence of the assholes out there who didn't vote
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Nevermind that a lesser evil is all you will ever get, in any timeline, in any country, in any election
Now and forever
If a literal demigod descended from the heavens with angels singing and ran in an election, typical politics would paint them as evil one way or another in contrived fashion, people would nod along in the usual lazy cynicism, and thus they would just be the lesser evil
Toxic idealists and mindless cynics are fucking stupid losers
@benroyce @rupert @Asbestos This is why you prepare to fight no matter who wins the election. In the election itself you are attempting to choose the weakest of several opponents.
In 2016, nobody thought Trump could actually win. Problem was, Trump and Hillery Clinton were BOTH candidates considered "unelectable" by conventional wisdom. If two unelectable candidates face each other in a US style general electio, both of them become electable folks!
Right up to Nov 8 2016, we were all preparing to fight Hillery Clinton and the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. We all hoped to hell Trump was stopped, but we knew we'd still have a tough fight ahead no matter what. That TPP may have benefited Trump: both candidates claimed to oppose it (a big win for the anti-WTO movement), but many white working class US voters expected Hillery to go back on her word. Obama had been a big booster of this treaty, chock full of the usual GMO, drug patent, and even US cigarette export provisions promoted by USTR.
The other big fight was Standing Rock, we had already sunk the Keystone XL. Heroes stood their ground at Standing Rock and slowed the project to a crawl as the world looked on. We had it beat, it was to be another KXL.
Then we got the worst possible surprise: Trump "won" the election! Instantly Standing Rock become almost impossible to win. The TPP was gone, but a vicious campaign of racism and hate was coming. On top of all else, Trump packed the Supreme Court, putting in cronies like "Frat Boy" Kavanagh and "Handmaid" Amy Coney Barrett. "Witchburner" Samuel Alito was already there thanks to GW Bush.
A year and a half after Trump left office post J6, Trump's SCOTUS picks threw out Roe V Wade. The resulting abortion laws were quickly castrated by the abortion pill networks, but this decision also unleashed a wave of anti-LGBTQ hate that is still going on today.
I think a lot of us in 2016 were looking downfield at the end zone without first having the football caught and securely tucked away prior to taking off running.
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@benroyce @rupert @Asbestos This is why you prepare to fight no matter who wins the election. In the election itself you are attempting to choose the weakest of several opponents.
In 2016, nobody thought Trump could actually win. Problem was, Trump and Hillery Clinton were BOTH candidates considered "unelectable" by conventional wisdom. If two unelectable candidates face each other in a US style general electio, both of them become electable folks!
Right up to Nov 8 2016, we were all preparing to fight Hillery Clinton and the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. We all hoped to hell Trump was stopped, but we knew we'd still have a tough fight ahead no matter what. That TPP may have benefited Trump: both candidates claimed to oppose it (a big win for the anti-WTO movement), but many white working class US voters expected Hillery to go back on her word. Obama had been a big booster of this treaty, chock full of the usual GMO, drug patent, and even US cigarette export provisions promoted by USTR.
The other big fight was Standing Rock, we had already sunk the Keystone XL. Heroes stood their ground at Standing Rock and slowed the project to a crawl as the world looked on. We had it beat, it was to be another KXL.
Then we got the worst possible surprise: Trump "won" the election! Instantly Standing Rock become almost impossible to win. The TPP was gone, but a vicious campaign of racism and hate was coming. On top of all else, Trump packed the Supreme Court, putting in cronies like "Frat Boy" Kavanagh and "Handmaid" Amy Coney Barrett. "Witchburner" Samuel Alito was already there thanks to GW Bush.
A year and a half after Trump left office post J6, Trump's SCOTUS picks threw out Roe V Wade. The resulting abortion laws were quickly castrated by the abortion pill networks, but this decision also unleashed a wave of anti-LGBTQ hate that is still going on today.
I think a lot of us in 2016 were looking downfield at the end zone without first having the football caught and securely tucked away prior to taking off running.
you always fight
and the fight has many avenues
voting is just one of the avenues
and morons who ignore it are failing simple strategy and tactics, and losing the fight
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@mastodonmigration @dlundh @Asbestos
I've got 50k such comments under my belt
I've got 200k more to go
Until my anger at nonvoting assholes who helped get us MAGA in power is quenched
@mastodonmigration @dlundh @Asbestos @benroyce I realise your fiery rants about voting abstention aren't meant to be amusing, but they do often make me smile in a "batten down the hatches, folks, Ben's off on one again!" kinda way. 🤭
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@mastodonmigration @dlundh @Asbestos
I've got 50k such comments under my belt
I've got 200k more to go
Until my anger at nonvoting assholes who helped get us MAGA in power is quenched
@benroyce @mastodonmigration @dlundh @Asbestos I want a device to summon Ben irl so that whenever I'm having an conversation with someone and it comes up that they don't vote I can sic him on them and watch the ensuing carnage like a bloodsport
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@MauroV1968
...ma anche così 🤷🤪
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@lelevup Non ne ero a conoscenza fino all'annuncio del TG...
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@KSGamingLife Mi fate venire voglia di modificare la Wii (e già era tra i piani insieme alle altre console).
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@antonuzzo1 la repressione è sempre anche una grande opportunità di rilancio. Hanno chiuso e stanno chiudendo i centri sociali, quasi tutti di sinistra. È una grande opportunità di riportare la politica e l'attivismo in ogni altro angolo della vita sociale: strade, piazze, scuole, università... I centri sociali fanno parte di una storia e un periodo che non c'è più, sono anche più facili da controllare. Voglio vedere cosa faranno quando il dissenso si articolerà in ogni cellula sociale.
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Il punto, per me, è che non basta denunciare la deriva: serve anche ricostruire una cittadinanza che non accetti passivamente questi tentativi. Altrimenti continueremo a oscillare tra indignazione e rassegnazione, senza mai incidere davvero
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Sulle priorità investigative: è vero che ciclicamente qualcuno prova a rimettere mano all’indipendenza dell’azione penale, ma questo dimostra quanto sia fragile l’equilibrio tra potere politico e potere giudiziario. Ogni volta che si tenta di spostare quell’equilibrio, lo si fa sempre con la scusa dell’efficienza, mai ammettendo apertamente il rischio di interferenze.
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@G3rt Capisco il quadro che descrivi, ma secondo me c’è un punto che spesso sfugge: se davvero da trent’anni si restringono gli spazi democratici, allora il problema non è solo “chi governa”, ma un’intera cultura politica che ha smesso di pretendere trasparenza, competenza e responsabilità.
La retorica della “stabilità” funziona proprio perché una parte consistente della popolazione è stata educata a considerare la partecipazione come un fastidio, non come un diritto.
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Lo avevo pubblicato tempo fa. Lo ripubblico, perché credo sia una delle conferenze più chiare e schiette del prof. Canfora che dice molto di ciò che stiamo vivendo e che ancora ci aspetta.
