I don't think people here realized yet how much development has sped up in the "atmosphere*"
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@jenniferplusplus @thisismissem @laurenshof ouch... so with a combination of these two things, what would need to change to get you psyched about participating in the standardization of all these under-standardized edges?
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I genuinely don't know. Lexicons?
They provide 2 critical things. One is schemas, which actually support coordination and interoperability. The other is namespacing, which actually avoids collisions and supports efficient filtering. But linked data makes that impossible. -
@liaizon I absolutely agree. I think the client-first development environment for ATProto makes this kind of work extremely emergent.
As @tsyesika said at FOSDEM in the Social Web Devroom, the ActivityPub social API ("C2S") is our equivalent to this programming interface. We need to get it kickstarted so we can build interesting social networking applications without having to build the server side, delivery, queuing, etc.
We're trying to get this going in the SocialCG:
https://github.com/swicg/activitypub-api
I think @django has done great work to evaluate all the different servers. It would be cool to get to a reference server that developers could use.
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@liaizon @thisismissem @laurenshof
I genuinely don't know. Lexicons?
They provide 2 critical things. One is schemas, which actually support coordination and interoperability. The other is namespacing, which actually avoids collisions and supports efficient filtering. But linked data makes that impossible.@liaizon @thisismissem @laurenshof at a human level, I would need space where implementers can talk to each other without the crowd of armchair quarterbacks that always dominates the conversation
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We're trying to get this going in the SocialCG:
https://github.com/swicg/activitypub-api
I think @django has done great work to evaluate all the different servers. It would be cool to get to a reference server that developers could use.
@evan @liaizon I haven't yet got to evaluating ALL the servers from @smallcircles delightful list, but my list is growing https://github.com/mediaformat/c2s
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I've been to some of the Bluesky / ATmosphere conferences.
You are correct that there are former AP people over there (at AT) now.
I talked to a number of them. This (at the following URL) is a common reason I heard for why they switched from AP to AT:
https://mastodon.social/@reiver/114208310829137604
(I am quoting / paraphrasing someone who switched AP to AT. But, I heard others say similar, too.)
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@evan @liaizon I haven't yet got to evaluating ALL the servers from @smallcircles delightful list, but my list is growing https://github.com/mediaformat/c2s
Hey, this is great. It is so nice to see the uptick of interest in the #C2S part of #ActivityPub. Very uplifting and gives me hope for the future of #fediverse.
I really liked your #FOSDEM presentation, and thank you for mentioning my humble list. They are just notes atm, but I will try to keep them up-to-date. I just made a bunch of updates..
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/delightful-fediverse-experience/issues/130
Would love to hear more on what are the particular plans and goals for your project in the near future?
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Hey, this is great. It is so nice to see the uptick of interest in the #C2S part of #ActivityPub. Very uplifting and gives me hope for the future of #fediverse.
I really liked your #FOSDEM presentation, and thank you for mentioning my humble list. They are just notes atm, but I will try to keep them up-to-date. I just made a bunch of updates..
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/delightful-fediverse-experience/issues/130
Would love to hear more on what are the particular plans and goals for your project in the near future?
PS. For people who haven't seen it yet, the #FOSDEM presentation is at:
https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/QK7XSV-activitypub-c2s/
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Hey, this is great. It is so nice to see the uptick of interest in the #C2S part of #ActivityPub. Very uplifting and gives me hope for the future of #fediverse.
I really liked your #FOSDEM presentation, and thank you for mentioning my humble list. They are just notes atm, but I will try to keep them up-to-date. I just made a bunch of updates..
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/delightful-fediverse-experience/issues/130
Would love to hear more on what are the particular plans and goals for your project in the near future?
@smallcircles @django @evan just saw this in the #fediverse-devs:matrix.org room
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@smallcircles @django @evan just saw this in the #fediverse-devs:matrix.org room
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@smallcircles @django @evan looks like its in reference to https://dev.alien.cool by @raphael
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@smallcircles @django @evan looks like its in reference to https://dev.alien.cool by @raphael
@liaizon @smallcircles @django @evan
https://activitypub.mushroomlabs.com is the project site. dev.alien.cool is just my dev deployment (please be gentle)
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@liaizon @smallcircles @django @evan
https://activitypub.mushroomlabs.com is the project site. dev.alien.cool is just my dev deployment (please be gentle)
@raphael @liaizon @smallcircles @django ha! There are a lot of Djangos involved in the social API.
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@raphael @liaizon @smallcircles @django ha! There are a lot of Djangos involved in the social API.
Also, you should give yourself a break and use the miscellany context.
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A working group might be able to come up with other, non-software strategies for dealing with this shit. Perhaps relying on new features in the software that don't actually ID anyone but could attach the status of having BEEN IDed or just let in and I'll take responsibility.
But it takes actually thinking about and studying a problem to come up with answers like that. You can't just shove your head up your ass and then yell at it.
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@nitrml @fbinin @ret @mellifluousbox Should be noted that if we all actually did manage to get sentenced to prison we'd either break the system or end up in warehouses in the desert surrounded by overheated assholes in cammo.
Either way, problem solved.
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@mellifluousbox It has to be thought about. Sometime soon people may have to decide if they're going to implement age verification or shut down their servers. If they're to be provided any answers, be they implemented options or a documented reason why this is just done, then the effort to come up with them needs to start before they're needed.
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Also, you should give yourself a break and use the miscellany context.
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@nitrml how do you think they’ll implement age verification on mastodon dot social? Special fork? No. It’ll be baked into the software, which will create a precedent for this to be implemented everywhere.
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@gbargoud they’re free to make their own decisions about whether they comply or not. The instance I’m using right now is in violation of UK law. Probably Saudi law, Iranian law, Chinese law, etc etc… there’s no winning this.
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@raphael @liaizon @smallcircles @django ha! There are a lot of Djangos involved in the social API.
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@ret you claim things ("no need for a working group") and when told that they need to assess their organization for these risks (not the software! Their organization!) you start talking about the software. If you dont care what they do regarding dot social, then this whole thing shouldnt be relevant to you.
Except if they do something to the software itself. That would impact other servers, and that would be a different discussion. But thats not where any of this is right now.
