Proton is a honey pot.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@404mediaco/116178581339270397
Proton is a honey pot. If you are using it as an activist you should think twice about what its actually providing you.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@404mediaco/116178581339270397
Proton is a honey pot. If you are using it as an activist you should think twice about what its actually providing you.
heres the full article behind the paywall https://archive.ph/gx6U4 (yes I know archive.today has some serious issues too, but I don't have a better source to unpaywall links yet)
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heres the full article behind the paywall https://archive.ph/gx6U4 (yes I know archive.today has some serious issues too, but I don't have a better source to unpaywall links yet)
Proton doxxed @defendATLforest directly to the Swiss authorities which then handed the information directly to the FBI. The police have KILLED people defending the forest there. Tortuguita died for this movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tortuguita
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heres the full article behind the paywall https://archive.ph/gx6U4 (yes I know archive.today has some serious issues too, but I don't have a better source to unpaywall links yet)
@liaizon I think in this case every email provider would need to comply to local laws and give the same data, right? Because they can't operate with credit card without read access to this data.
I remember Mullvad had nice alternative payment options, but I can't see how a credit card payment would be different there for example, but I don't know if i'm missing something
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@liaizon I think in this case every email provider would need to comply to local laws and give the same data, right? Because they can't operate with credit card without read access to this data.
I remember Mullvad had nice alternative payment options, but I can't see how a credit card payment would be different there for example, but I don't know if i'm missing something
@hipgnose they advertise themselves as a Security and Privacy product to people who then think it is SAFE for them to give personal data to Proton cause they are a "privacy respecting" email provider. There is ways to make money without collecting peoples credit card info and assigning it to the registered account. This is why projects like https://njal.la exist
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Proton doxxed @defendATLforest directly to the Swiss authorities which then handed the information directly to the FBI. The police have KILLED people defending the forest there. Tortuguita died for this movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tortuguita
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Proton doxxed @defendATLforest directly to the Swiss authorities which then handed the information directly to the FBI. The police have KILLED people defending the forest there. Tortuguita died for this movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tortuguita
Hey @thefinalstrawradio, yall should probably cover this Proton situation...
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@hipgnose they advertise themselves as a Security and Privacy product to people who then think it is SAFE for them to give personal data to Proton cause they are a "privacy respecting" email provider. There is ways to make money without collecting peoples credit card info and assigning it to the registered account. This is why projects like https://njal.la exist
@liaizon @hipgnose and they do provide cash and crypto payment options.
They never claimed to provide anonymity
https://proton.me/blog/how-to-send-an-anonymous-email -
@hipgnose they advertise themselves as a Security and Privacy product to people who then think it is SAFE for them to give personal data to Proton cause they are a "privacy respecting" email provider. There is ways to make money without collecting peoples credit card info and assigning it to the registered account. This is why projects like https://njal.la exist
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@liaizon @hipgnose and they do provide cash and crypto payment options.
They never claimed to provide anonymity
https://proton.me/blog/how-to-send-an-anonymous-email@shadowwwind @hipgnose i'm sorry but thats bullshit, they claim they are the most trusted secure email provider and go on and on about how much you can trust them https://proton.me/mail/security this says absolutely nothing about what they do with your credit card data after they trick you into signing up for a pro account. if they are advertising themselves as trusted by journalists and they they proudly hand over personal data about their users to the feds they are predatory...
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@shadowwwind @hipgnose i'm sorry but thats bullshit, they claim they are the most trusted secure email provider and go on and on about how much you can trust them https://proton.me/mail/security this says absolutely nothing about what they do with your credit card data after they trick you into signing up for a pro account. if they are advertising themselves as trusted by journalists and they they proudly hand over personal data about their users to the feds they are predatory...
@shadowwwind @hipgnose in this page they don't list any alternative payment options, only ones that have KYC
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@shadowwwind @hipgnose yes they are also a business that has to "follow the law". I would be interested to know what information they do save on their accounts, and I would also be critical of them if they start handing over personal data like proton does and still make the claims they make. they are also very upfront about accepting payment that you can set up not tied to a government name and getting the full thing they offer
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@404mediaco/116178581339270397
Proton is a honey pot. If you are using it as an activist you should think twice about what its actually providing you.
If people think that a Swiss email provider would break Swiss law and have managers jailed to protect customers anonymity, that people should be blamed not the email provider.
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Hey @thefinalstrawradio, yall should probably cover this Proton situation...
@liaizon proton appears less a honeypot than a business that operates in legal jurisdictions under a TOS, required to give info they have to governments during investigations.
Movements and individuals shouldn't consider info they give up safe to such a project (payment info, legal IDs, contact info).
Such concerns require services where anonymous payment is possible or no payment is required
This thread gives some smart challenges to the question of security v useability
https://bsky.app/profile/activistchecklist.org/post/3mgdwg4zn5c2d -
@liaizon proton appears less a honeypot than a business that operates in legal jurisdictions under a TOS, required to give info they have to governments during investigations.
Movements and individuals shouldn't consider info they give up safe to such a project (payment info, legal IDs, contact info).
Such concerns require services where anonymous payment is possible or no payment is required
This thread gives some smart challenges to the question of security v useability
https://bsky.app/profile/activistchecklist.org/post/3mgdwg4zn5c2d@thefinalstrawradio@chaos.social @liaizon@social.wake.st so what's a good alternative?
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@thefinalstrawradio@chaos.social @liaizon@social.wake.st so what's a good alternative?
@MousyAesthete @liaizon the link I edited in above gives a few options but more importantly suggests threat assessment to guide you to the option that makes the most sense for your needs.
Take away: the tradeoff between ease of use and likely need/threat needs to be balanced out -
@shadowwwind @hipgnose yes they are also a business that has to "follow the law". I would be interested to know what information they do save on their accounts, and I would also be critical of them if they start handing over personal data like proton does and still make the claims they make. they are also very upfront about accepting payment that you can set up not tied to a government name and getting the full thing they offer
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@shadowwwind @hipgnose i'm sorry but thats bullshit, they claim they are the most trusted secure email provider and go on and on about how much you can trust them https://proton.me/mail/security this says absolutely nothing about what they do with your credit card data after they trick you into signing up for a pro account. if they are advertising themselves as trusted by journalists and they they proudly hand over personal data about their users to the feds they are predatory...
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@shadowwwind @hipgnose in this page they don't list any alternative payment options, only ones that have KYC
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@MousyAesthete @liaizon the link I edited in above gives a few options but more importantly suggests threat assessment to guide you to the option that makes the most sense for your needs.
Take away: the tradeoff between ease of use and likely need/threat needs to be balanced out@thefinalstrawradio@chaos.social @liaizon@social.wake.st thank you. Threat modelling is always the first step when thinking about privacy, and email seems like it's always the wrong tool for the kinds of communications that a hostile state actor would want to get access to. I think what's concerning about Proton (and I say this as a Proton user) is that their marketing has always made or at least implied claims that they can't possibly achieve given the nature of email
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