Ahhhh 😊
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@jon I've been catching up on "Jet Lag: The Game" in the last days and I'm impressed by the very different nature of the main challenge posed to the players in France vs in Germany:
Germany: Missing a crucial connection because of a 30 minute delay of the hourly train.
France: "No trains from here in the next 3 hours, and then the TGV onwards is fully booked. No apologies"@semireg yes. That sums it up.
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It’s so joyous
No stupid gates to get onto the platform
No silly announcements telling me to label my luggage or not try to open the doors at the wrong time, and just a beeping to tell me the doors are closing
Signs telling me what seats are reserved, so I can go find a nice window seat. And no compulsory reservation
Comfy seats
And it works properly with Interrail
No incessant adverts for the British Transport Police.
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No incessant adverts for the British Transport Police.
@lionelb Right.
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@jon I've got only one thing that I unconditionally dislike about this class of trainsets: the seats.
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@jon I've got only one thing that I unconditionally dislike about this class of trainsets: the seats.
@paavi eh? The seats are great! Among the most comfy.
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And yes, this being DB and as I’m going to Köln the chances of disruption are high
But the SYSTEM - in theory at least - is right
@jon If you have the right mindset it often is pleasant enough and you'll eventually get where you need to get to.
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@jon If you have the right mindset it often is pleasant enough and you'll eventually get where you need to get to.
@jon Compared to RENFE, which is "sorry you missed your connection, next train tomorrow"
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@paavi eh? The seats are great! Among the most comfy.
@jon I might be wrong, but aren't the seats the usual ICE4 type? I've got opinions about those, but then again I am shorter than the average Central-European with slighlty short legs compared to my back and I have angle preferences when it comes to the nearly horizontal part of the seat my bottom and thighs are supposed to rest on. :)
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@jon I might be wrong, but aren't the seats the usual ICE4 type? I've got opinions about those, but then again I am shorter than the average Central-European with slighlty short legs compared to my back and I have angle preferences when it comes to the nearly horizontal part of the seat my bottom and thighs are supposed to rest on. :)
@paavi No. The seats are different. I get your critique of the ICE4 ones.
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@paavi No. The seats are different. I get your critique of the ICE4 ones.
@jon Ooh, that's nice to have confirmed. Thank you! ...and sorry for my ignorance.
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@semireg yes. That sums it up.
@jon To illustrate it perhaps even more poignantely:
While in France, the players sit around for hours in rural towns or even in Paris because there is no option for them to get away.
Whlie in Germany, they sit around in trains that should be moving but are held up somewhere on the line.
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@tml yeah I get that*, and often feel the same way. But I also have to admit it's a good accessibility thing for a significant number of travelers. I just hope it's data driven and not sentiment.
*and thanks for taking my question in good faith
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The only part of train traveling that I like is the announcements! The vocal delivery just sparks joy for some reason. (I work in railways, so train-brain gets no rest)
Only done a little work traveling in Germany with a dozen excursions to Netherlands, and it was a long time ago. At first I didn't like having English "baby fed" to me. But I ended up appreciating it when I was late for the last train home one night, it was a gift to be really sure I had the right train.
@tal Have you had the opportunity to enjoy Trenitalia (machine) announcements? Very repetitive, very verbose and tedious, fairly odd English pronunciation. (One would think that when recording announcements, they would find a professional native English speaker.) You might feel forced to adjust your enthusiasm...
"tap tap mode"
"easy and convenient"
long harangue about some law including its number and date that mercifully is only in Italian
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And yes, this being DB and as I’m going to Köln the chances of disruption are high
But the SYSTEM - in theory at least - is right
@jon And the value for money with DB tickets can be incredible. I’m working on our integration right now and testing cases like Gothenburg to Swiss/Austrian ski resorts that can come in at under 100€ door to door.
Plus if you miss a train there’s always another option available. 15-60 min delay to destination might be common, but multi-hour delays rare. Compare this to many other countries where a small problem will often end up making you 3 hours late.
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It’s so joyous
No stupid gates to get onto the platform
No silly announcements telling me to label my luggage or not try to open the doors at the wrong time, and just a beeping to tell me the doors are closing
Signs telling me what seats are reserved, so I can go find a nice window seat. And no compulsory reservation
Comfy seats
And it works properly with Interrail
@jon
This question may be a bit too wide-ranging, but what are the perspectives to improve service in France by operators competing under open access? -
@tal Have you had the opportunity to enjoy Trenitalia (machine) announcements? Very repetitive, very verbose and tedious, fairly odd English pronunciation. (One would think that when recording announcements, they would find a professional native English speaker.) You might feel forced to adjust your enthusiasm...
"tap tap mode"
"easy and convenient"
long harangue about some law including its number and date that mercifully is only in Italian
etc.@tml not even holiday, unfortunately
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@jon And the value for money with DB tickets can be incredible. I’m working on our integration right now and testing cases like Gothenburg to Swiss/Austrian ski resorts that can come in at under 100€ door to door.
Plus if you miss a train there’s always another option available. 15-60 min delay to destination might be common, but multi-hour delays rare. Compare this to many other countries where a small problem will often end up making you 3 hours late.
@stefanlindbohm @jon Almost always – which may be a good warning label to add in Railfinder: “last connection of the day.”
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@stefanlindbohm @jon Almost always – which may be a good warning label to add in Railfinder: “last connection of the day.”
@partim Yep I have some ideas on how to do this in our journey planner. We would search extremely pessimistically first, then pick earlier connections as a plan A and keep the pessimistic as the plan B. For connections we don’t have a plan B we would have that warning. It’s quite difficult to implement technically so it’s further in the future though.
In the meantime we always recommend at least 1 hour before any night train, in some cases more. That protects a majority of cases :)
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@jon
This question may be a bit too wide-ranging, but what are the perspectives to improve service in France by operators competing under open access?@notsoloud between big cities, good. On older lines… I’m not hopeful at all.