We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running.
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@briankrebs
Why didn't they just require everyone get chipped also?@RealGene @briankrebs they already did the chips in the covid vacine
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@BLTpizza @briankrebs That's right. The doofus who made this deal doesn't care about the implications: they are not his cross to bear. But what is the criteria that will be used? Who will be banned from entry? Who will be punished? Based on what? Gender? Immigration? Opinion? Are visitors seriously considering handing over their DNA and entire family, email, and social media history for a decade to the people who just murdered another civilian in cold blood?
If the US doesn't want us to visit anymore, we won't visit. TV is nice for watching football.
If the US doesn't want to buy from us, we won't buy from them. Sorry, not sorry, Amazon.
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@briankrebs wait, thats awesome! that means they are still not capable of finding this out on theirselfes!
@koratex @briankrebs They can, they're just placing the burden on the individuals now. But I think the more sinister thing is that they are going to use this to disallow those with viewpoints contrary to the regime narrative (ie, people with a fact-based understanding of the world). They'll also deny entry to those from disadvantaged backgrounds. If you don't have the luxury of a smartphone, how can you have a social media presence? And of course that's suspicious if you don't provide that info.
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I feel for anyone in the travel, tourism and hospitality industries, which make up ~ 10M jobs and ~ 3 percent of the nation's GDP. From the U.S. International Trade Administration (trade.gov)
"Inbound international travel to the United States plays a vital role in the Nation’s economy and promotes cultural exchange and understanding. Travel and tourism is the largest single services export for the United States, accounting for 22 percent of the country’s services exports and 7 percent of all exports in 2023. The travel and tourism industry contributed $2.3 trillion to the U.S. economy in 2022 (2.97 percent of the country’s GDP), supporting 9.5 million jobs."
@briankrebs I keep thinking about how Florida has repeatedly shot themselves in the foot.
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs
sounds familiar to me...
have seen similar in another palantir country 😳😳 -
I'm British, white, male, aged 60-ish.
Prior to February 2016 I typically visited the USA 3 times a year for up to six weeks.
Since February 2016 I have visited the USA twice in a decade, for a total of 10 days.
Entering the USA as a foreigner, with a Republican POTUS in the White House, *never* felt safe, but under Trump it looks diabolically dangerous. (And to a glance I resemble "one of them": I'm not female or dark-skinned.)
@cstross @briankrebs I am Canadian the last time I was over that border was in the mid 80s. My sons were in a swim tournament just across the border. I never felt safe in america even back then.
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@briankrebs and coupled with immigration law having provisions that classify any kind of omission on an immigration, visa, or entry form as potential immigration fraud and grounds to disqualify the individual from ANY future status = anybody that forgets one email address or social media account they’ve had years ago is suddenly easily turned into an “illegal immigrant” and passed into the jurisdiction of ICE for deportation and potentially a permanent life ban from the US.
@mariyadelano @briankrebs being deported by ICE is the least worst option. Its the in country shootings, death camps or illegal rendition to el salvador that would not be ideal because you forgot to include your microsoft online account that was force made when you attempted to log into your laptop with a local account.
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@briankrebs I have never travelled to the US and never will. I wouldn't know what to do in a fascist country.
@librarianbe
I've lived here all my life and I surely don't know what to do now. I have plans for travel out of the country (NL and BE) in spring, but if citizens are also required to surrender all this data to the CBP to leave or re-enter, I may have to rethink those plans. -
We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs Moving closer to requiring mark of the beast....
I learned about sleeper cells in the country and Cold War-era Soviet training site near Vinnytsia, Ukraine, where the Soviet KGB built a mock “American town” to train spies in everyday U.S. life and culture practicing things like driving cars, shopping, cooking, talking with “neighbors,” and other civilian routines to prepare them for infiltration into the United States. This “town” was reportedly constructed around 1959 and used through the 1960s so KGB operatives could rehearse how Americans lived by interacting in a setting modeled after American small towns complete with people playing roles like police officers, businessmen, bankers, and neighbors.
Why do I bring this up?
Because reading into these CIA docs my first impression was we need to shut down the country to foreigners. Then I learned that the purpose of Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations were for America to lose it's freedoms and democracy. Which they largely accomplished post 9/11 with airport security, enhanced surveillance, etc.
So although whatever Trump and the IC think they are trying to do.. it will only have the reverse effect. Playing right into playbook of foreign adversaries. America losing it's freedom and being beacon to world by offering the same freedoms.
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
https://futurism.com/future-society/trump-adviser-larry-ellison-shadow-president
Larry Ellison's shadow presidency in action.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/12/larry_ellison_wants_all_data/
https://fortune.com/2025/09/28/larry-ellison-ai-surveillance-oracle-tiktok-deal-social-media/
https://blogs.oracle.com/jobsatoracle/oracle-ai-world-2025-accelerating-the-ai-age
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/09/trump-says-tiktok-should-be-tweaked-to-become-100-maga/
https://gizmodo.com/tiktok-s-latest-suitor-is-oracle-a-company-with-close-1844759645
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/former-cia-boss-joins-oracle-399524
Oracle was originally a CIA project
https://medium.com/@mostsignificant/codename-oracle-3fa5e2ccf3dbhttps://gizmodo.com/larry-ellisons-oracle-started-as-a-cia-project-1636592238
https://www.sfchronicle.com/tech/article/project-2025-oracle-19654875.php
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@briankrebs @anja Soon this will apply to American citizens.
@meltedcheese @briankrebs @anja Agreed. I would expect that to either leave or return.
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I feel for anyone in the travel, tourism and hospitality industries, which make up ~ 10M jobs and ~ 3 percent of the nation's GDP. From the U.S. International Trade Administration (trade.gov)
"Inbound international travel to the United States plays a vital role in the Nation’s economy and promotes cultural exchange and understanding. Travel and tourism is the largest single services export for the United States, accounting for 22 percent of the country’s services exports and 7 percent of all exports in 2023. The travel and tourism industry contributed $2.3 trillion to the U.S. economy in 2022 (2.97 percent of the country’s GDP), supporting 9.5 million jobs."
None of this is about making America great again. This is a systemic dismantling of American power and prestige on all fronts, domestically and internationally, destroying existing alliances for both security and economic.
There's only one reason for all of this and it is to leave the US vulnerable to her enemies.
Until Americans accept this fact, the partisan divisions that have been exploited FOR THIS PURPOSE will hasten its destruction.
There are only a few people happy about that. I think that is the defining line between us and them.
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs I don't remember a number of those things even if I wanted to.
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs As far as I am concerned this will work as designed - I won't be visiting the USA.
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs well I guess I am not going to the US anytime soon soon.
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs Wer dort bisher noch rein privat und ohne familiären Kontext reisen wollte, hat eh schon länger ein emotionales Problem.
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@derickr @ojensen @briankrebs Password managers! They can hold unique email addresses as well as the expected passwords and user names. Every account should have all three of those unique.
Gmail, firefox, duck, and pretty much all commercial email providers let you generate more email addresses than you'll ever need. Having hundreds of active email addresses is a normal thing. I tell myself that 😏.
@ericphelps
Tagged email addresses accomplish much the same thing! -
We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs the sooner white folks are as punished by this regime as people of color, the sooner we can finally rise together and end capitalism.
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs The message is clear; #StayAwayFromUSA
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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:
"Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."
"If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."
PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:
-All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’
-ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
-‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
-‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
-biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
-business telephone numbers used in the last five years
-business email addresses used in the last ten years.The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
must be submitted (no later than
February 9, 2026) to be assured of
considerationFederal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf
@briankrebs @bert_hubert Gaat echt goed daar!
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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Going on an international trip. I am downloading all the case law I can find about AI and copyright law so I can give the most informed take I can about "how does generative AI affect FOSS projects going forward?"
I'm going to focus on US case law first, including reading the recent high profile case that the US Supreme Court declined, but also the US Copyright Office's current analysis.
This is important, I think, because right now FOSS projects are moving fast to incorporate, but without anyone really knowing what the outcome will be, there's a great chance that, even on licensing grounds alone, we could be creating a huge mess for FOSS projects.
And (unfortunately?) my background in having done FOSS licensing stuff previously as part of my dayjob might mean I can do a pretty good job summarizing. Let's see!
If you have case law you think I should read, put it in this thread.
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@quephird I also thought this was the original meaning of the term XD
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Clearly I need to spend less time on the Internet and more in the library…
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Directional horror
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@quephird words can have multiple meanings
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I dunno… por qué no los dos???
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@eniko Are triangles the equivalent to s expressions in programming?
(And how did I not know they are abbreviated sexp, that’s crazy.)
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@eniko rasterizer for anything makes one feel powerful. this mouse made one for arbitrary flat n-gons for fun once and even though it had terribly hacky math for the projection it was still a powerful feeling
