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New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
@VeeRat I was in that spot too decades ago, and “you’re good at writing notes” was not really a compliment from the source, it’s a dig masked as “you spend too much time writing notes”. Now the same people have AI.
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
@VeeRat Excellent summary of how managers use tools in a lazy way, not using their brain.
I do a lot of client meetings, and then send my summary to fellow managers, I take every opportunity to mention that corporate software is unsuitable for specific activities (drip-drip subtle messaging). -
@johnzajac @VeeRat Copilot (like every AI assistant) is highly motivated, workaholic, 24/7 available ... intern. A very junior intern.
So, if someones trusts this intern to create MoM without thoroughly counter-checking it ... 🙂↔️NB: Even the Microsoft consultants I bumped into so far admitted this fact openly.
@Boerdejakobiner @johnzajac @VeeRat
I never saw people lose reasoning ability after working with an intern.
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@VeeRat
The concept of just using AI to write or summarize shit for you is fucking anti science. There is neuro science that highly supports that engaging the brain thru writing is one of many ways that helps with learning and remembering.
Keep on writing!
*Also maybe we should be asking these AI zombies how much time they spent reviewing their AI writings and verifying (yeah.... verifying!) the output. From the peeps I know using AI to write for them, they don't verify what's been written 🤦♀️@Petesmom @VeeRat My personal sample of one concurs. I took notes diligently at all lectures in college. The notes were all lost/thrown away after higher ed was done, and rarely consulted even at the time. The act of writing them down is what helped me to learn.
(For context: There were VT220 terminals for computer/internet access. Early web (Mosaic browser) existed at the time. Laptop computers were prohibitively expensive, and personal cellphones were bulky rich-people toys. I remember a “waste scandal” because the student government leadership had gotten themselves pagers.)
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
@VeeRat Ugh. I've always had trouble remembering things. I write and draw to imprint information into my brain. Using AI for writing notes sounds like a good way of making sure that I will never remember anything again.
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
@VeeRat because it is helpful to you, not them. They want to deprive you of a useful tool to exert control.
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
@VeeRat Ah, yes. Use AI to produce the artifact that is itself simultaneously the most visible and measurable result and the least correlated with the actual value being produced. Management by metrics being reduced to its worst. This is one of the likely consequences of students learning to use AI to produce the appearance of learning without the substance. They will learn to measure and value the artifacts rather than the value and bring that into how they measure the value that AI produces. AI is trained to produce what its trainers value as well. I see a downward spiral.
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@johnzajac @VeeRat Copilot (like every AI assistant) is highly motivated, workaholic, 24/7 available ... intern. A very junior intern.
So, if someones trusts this intern to create MoM without thoroughly counter-checking it ... 🙂↔️NB: Even the Microsoft consultants I bumped into so far admitted this fact openly.
But interns can take feedback and improve.
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@VeeRat There's this thing where people are indifferent to the results but intensely concerned everyone is doing things in the correct way.
A subset of the impulse to prescriptive norms, more or less; "this works for me, it has to work for you".
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@VeeRat So true. Often I'll write the notes and then never look at them again. The act of creating them is the point.
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@VeeRat Dealing with this right now in the school I teach at. We had a training about how to use/implement rubrics and were given the task to create a rubric for a random assignment in 20 minutes.
Everyone turned to the school's AI platform. I just banged out a five criteria rubric with four points in about 15 minutes. I know what's in it, because I created it. Everyone else was still adjusting their prompts after 20 minutes.
I'm really starting to feel like the last person standing in a zombie movie. When our AI platform was rolled out (last year) I was assured it was only a tool and I could choose to use it or not. I have not touched it.
Now, I'm subtly being told that the school spent a lot of money on the platform and we should be using it at least once a day. I still haven't touched it.
I mean, dude, your bad investment is not my problem!
100% my situation in my university. Sad times.
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
''If they sound like they're not in the same conversation they aren't talking to you.
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
@VeeRat this is nice summary how I feel about it.
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
@VeeRat Wait 'til they say:
"Please, we need to write more and better notes, so we can feed it into our LLM, so it can understand better."
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@VeeRat Wait 'til they say:
"Please, we need to write more and better notes, so we can feed it into our LLM, so it can understand better."
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
@VeeRat You wrote about writing notes. Your manager shared about an innovative AI tool. You expressed to your manager that writing notes helps you learn and remember. Your manager showed you the work product of an innovative AI tool. You expressed disdain.
jk
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Sigh.
New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”
Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”
New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”
Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”
New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”
Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.
@VeeRat this shit is the logical endpoint of measuring output
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