My co-workers: "Laws are there to stop people from doing things!"
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My co-workers: "Laws are there to stop people from doing things!"
Me: "Do you speed when you drive?"
Them: "All the time!"
Me (internally): I feel like Phoebe talking to Joey.
Laws exist to *discourage* people from doing things, and, maybe, ideally, to cause people to stop and think before they decide if they want to do those things or not.
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Laws exist to *discourage* people from doing things, and, maybe, ideally, to cause people to stop and think before they decide if they want to do those things or not.
@eldritch48 Well, the intent is to prevent people from doing things, but if no one is looking, folk tend to do what they think they can get away with.
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@eldritch48 Well, the intent is to prevent people from doing things, but if no one is looking, folk tend to do what they think they can get away with.
@CStamp In other words, they make people stop and consider the estimated ROI of the action.
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@CStamp In other words, they make people stop and consider the estimated ROI of the action.
@eldritch48 Sure, but it’s intent vs reality.
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@eldritch48 Sure, but it’s intent vs reality.
@CStamp Oh, I think that's the intent. No one who gets a law passed thinks it has any direct power to *stop* anyone. Speed limits aren't put in place with the assumption that everyone will obey them.
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@CStamp Oh, I think that's the intent. No one who gets a law passed thinks it has any direct power to *stop* anyone. Speed limits aren't put in place with the assumption that everyone will obey them.
@CStamp I think the more true statement is that many people don't ever think about what a law "means" after they got a definition from their parents when they were 3.
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@CStamp In other words, they make people stop and consider the estimated ROI of the action.
This is also why, for MOST laws on the books, they aren't designed to impact the rich and the powerful.
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Laws exist to *discourage* people from doing things, and, maybe, ideally, to cause people to stop and think before they decide if they want to do those things or not.
@eldritch48 also (still in theory) to establish whether punishment is warranted, or who's at fault when bad things happen.
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@eldritch48 also (still in theory) to establish whether punishment is warranted, or who's at fault when bad things happen.
@oblomov but punishment is still just to try to discourage action..it’s not for the people who actually did the thing, it’s to direct future behavior.
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@oblomov but punishment is still just to try to discourage action..it’s not for the people who actually did the thing, it’s to direct future behavior.
@eldritch48 there's a lot to be said about what punishment is for; arguably in practice it is indeed largely intended to be a deterrent (when not, worse, just for the sadistic satisfaction of whoever inflicts the punishment), but it can also be (again, in theory) intended to be a way to have compensation (at a personal or communal level, depending on what one is being punished for), and/or education.