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  • smallcircles@social.coopundefined smallcircles@social.coop

    @Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

    You mean a quote post? Sure, by all means :)

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    @smallcircles

    I have a button-making setup. I'd love to make a physical button.

    @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

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    • smallcircles@social.coopundefined smallcircles@social.coop

      @Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

      You mean a quote post? Sure, by all means :)

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      @smallcircles

      @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

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      • algot@mastodon.artundefined algot@mastodon.art

        @smallcircles

        @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

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        @Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

        Oh, that is lovely. You can use it public domain CC0 as a quote by me, Arnold Schrijver, assuming that no one before me has formulated it already.

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        • smallcircles@social.coopundefined smallcircles@social.coop

          @Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

          Oh, that is lovely. You can use it public domain CC0 as a quote by me, Arnold Schrijver, assuming that no one before me has formulated it already.

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          @Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

          I'm pondering now if I should make "SX platitude" a SX artifact. I likely will.

          You see, there's a concept of "wisdom tiles" in SX, indicating universal truths that all (or most) people agree on, like "think, before you act". The tile I generated represents a Delft-blue "wisdom tile" and these things used to hang in the toilet in our grandparents house when we were young. You typically gifted them on birthdays of your Grandma. They are now kinda disappearing. It is old-fashioned.

          The underlying innercircles simple life philosophy that underpins SX goes from the assumption that "simple solutions still exist". And that in terms of wisdom, knowledge, common sense, and life experience *everything* we need to solve the wicked solutions of our time, is already out there. It is the coordinated application in practice during prolonged times where we drop the ball.

          Wisdom is relative, in the eye of the beholder. "Wisdom tile" best avoided.

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          • smallcircles@social.coopundefined smallcircles@social.coop

            @Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

            I'm pondering now if I should make "SX platitude" a SX artifact. I likely will.

            You see, there's a concept of "wisdom tiles" in SX, indicating universal truths that all (or most) people agree on, like "think, before you act". The tile I generated represents a Delft-blue "wisdom tile" and these things used to hang in the toilet in our grandparents house when we were young. You typically gifted them on birthdays of your Grandma. They are now kinda disappearing. It is old-fashioned.

            The underlying innercircles simple life philosophy that underpins SX goes from the assumption that "simple solutions still exist". And that in terms of wisdom, knowledge, common sense, and life experience *everything* we need to solve the wicked solutions of our time, is already out there. It is the coordinated application in practice during prolonged times where we drop the ball.

            Wisdom is relative, in the eye of the beholder. "Wisdom tile" best avoided.

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            @Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

            With CC0 there's no need for attribution, but if you want to honor me you may quote as:

            -- "Urgent platitudes" quote by Arnold Schrijver, social coder.

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            • smallcircles@social.coopundefined smallcircles@social.coop

              @khleedril @woozle @Profpatsch @eryn

              💯 Totally! This is even part of core principles of #SX: Mindfulness.

              A movement is timeless and can only progress by participants adding their 2 cts, which accrue over time. Or it pauses, waiting for input. The wicked solution is timeless in a similar way, waiting its lifecycle stage where it solves the wicked problem and sustainably satisfies all stakeholders' evolving needs.

              Urgency is provided by individuals. However, if some group or movement has the attitude "Stop the talking, we MUST act NOW and with URGENCY" they have a humongous failure condition right there.

              Instead there is prioritised, planned urgency and after breakdown into manageable chunks. It becomes simple then. You talk when you need to talk, and you act when you need to act.

              It sounds like a platitude, and perhaps it is in how obvious it is. But if you don't act according to the wisdom of the platitude, perhaps it bears repeating it? Platitudes are a form of universal truths.

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              @smallcircles @khleedril @woozle @eryn That’s just managed coordination, is it not? Maybe we need someone to come up with a plan in the first place.

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              • profpatsch@mastodon.xyzundefined profpatsch@mastodon.xyz

                @smallcircles @khleedril @woozle @eryn That’s just managed coordination, is it not? Maybe we need someone to come up with a plan in the first place.

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                @Profpatsch @smallcircles @woozle @eryn It is not. It is giving people time to innovate, and to make their ideas tangible. Growth can be organic, unmanaged. Give it time to nurture, it will be strong. (The platitude is a bit naff, to be honest).

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                • khleedril@cyberplace.socialundefined khleedril@cyberplace.social

                  @Profpatsch @smallcircles @woozle @eryn It is not. It is giving people time to innovate, and to make their ideas tangible. Growth can be organic, unmanaged. Give it time to nurture, it will be strong. (The platitude is a bit naff, to be honest).

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                  @khleedril

                  I'd say it's also good to have a plan; outside of capitalism, it's easier for plans to include things like "spending time following up creative impulses until you feel like you're done".

                  When people are working together, some of them might even want to be available to help others with their impulsive projects -- and from that, new plans, new branches, or new solutions can emerge.

                  @Profpatsch @smallcircles @eryn

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                  • woozle@toot.catundefined woozle@toot.cat

                    @khleedril

                    I'd say it's also good to have a plan; outside of capitalism, it's easier for plans to include things like "spending time following up creative impulses until you feel like you're done".

                    When people are working together, some of them might even want to be available to help others with their impulsive projects -- and from that, new plans, new branches, or new solutions can emerge.

                    @Profpatsch @smallcircles @eryn

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                    @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

                    Both, based on need I'd say. In SX its mindfulness principle again, and I can expand the sentence above with "plan, when you need to plan".

                    Plans are certainly needed at different granularity and scope, for different purpose, and likely having relationships to each other too.

                    Mindfulness is one thing, but Sustainability core principle is about finding the right balance of when to do what and when. You must plan to anticipate your Risks timely, for instance.

                    Finally there's Playfulness core principle, which is the most powerful, but also only truly comes into play (pun intended) when the other core principles are addressed to a minimal extent.

                    Here is the freedom to be creative, to experiment, to be flexible and versatile, to work at your own leisure, to just have fun, etc. This all relates to the Joyful creation SX formula, and the stimulation of intrinsic motivation to participate in the commons, find places where you fit, and foster cohesion.

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                    • smallcircles@social.coopundefined smallcircles@social.coop

                      @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn

                      You are right. It is flawed. Happens on the quick-toot modern timeline of our time :)

                      But this is also emergent design: experiment, test, improve in short cycles.

                      Another attempt at platitude then. Then it is up to others to counter-platitude me again :D

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                      @smallcircles @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn a lot better!

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