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@woozle the article was described as "fairly long thinkpiece" by @Profpatsch which with 53 min. read time is an understatement of "fairly long" where it comes to typical online content.
Thank you for taking the time and ponder things! I think that is the most important. We are all so pragmatic and want to have quick results. And our society is asking to be hurried. Everything is urgent. All is in peril. But giving in to that urge is a trap, that makes us weaker as mankind to face our wickedest problems.
Besides "Hammock driven development" mentioned in the article, #Emergence is key. And emergence is WEIRD and fascinating. I just tooted about it in..
https://social.coop/@smallcircles/116384803540561801
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I used #SolidProject just to contrast a totally opposite approach to how fedi evolves: Fully formal #OpenStandards driven, but with risk to evolve into a 'standards maze' without ecosystem support.
#Mastodon Foundation is a new development. Hopefully they care beyond the app.
@smallcircles @woozle @Profpatsch The read-time according to Firefox's read mode thingy is 60-76 minutes.
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@smallcircles @woozle @Profpatsch The read-time according to Firefox's read mode thingy is 60-76 minutes.
@khleedril @woozle @Profpatsch
Oh wow, that is even more whopping! The Astro Starlight blog plugin must have optimism bias, or built in read-me encouragement balance correction. 😅
I was delighted to hear your feedback on the other posts, thank you! I will reply in due time on them.
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@woozle @smallcircles @Profpatsch @eryn "I have been working on a "move slowly and build things" basis for some time now..."
This is absolutely fine. Anybody who thinks a new order of independents is going to emerge in five years is delusional: first, we can all only do so much in a given time, and second we have to wait for each other to come up with successive evolutionary steps.
@khleedril @woozle @Profpatsch @eryn
💯 Totally! This is even part of core principles of #SX: Mindfulness.
A movement is timeless and can only progress by participants adding their 2 cts, which accrue over time. Or it pauses, waiting for input. The wicked solution is timeless in a similar way, waiting its lifecycle stage where it solves the wicked problem and sustainably satisfies all stakeholders' evolving needs.
Urgency is provided by individuals. However, if some group or movement has the attitude "Stop the talking, we MUST act NOW and with URGENCY" they have a humongous failure condition right there.
Instead there is prioritised, planned urgency and after breakdown into manageable chunks. It becomes simple then. You talk when you need to talk, and you act when you need to act.
It sounds like a platitude, and perhaps it is in how obvious it is. But if you don't act according to the wisdom of the platitude, perhaps it bears repeating it? Platitudes are a form of universal truths.
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@khleedril @woozle @Profpatsch @eryn
💯 Totally! This is even part of core principles of #SX: Mindfulness.
A movement is timeless and can only progress by participants adding their 2 cts, which accrue over time. Or it pauses, waiting for input. The wicked solution is timeless in a similar way, waiting its lifecycle stage where it solves the wicked problem and sustainably satisfies all stakeholders' evolving needs.
Urgency is provided by individuals. However, if some group or movement has the attitude "Stop the talking, we MUST act NOW and with URGENCY" they have a humongous failure condition right there.
Instead there is prioritised, planned urgency and after breakdown into manageable chunks. It becomes simple then. You talk when you need to talk, and you act when you need to act.
It sounds like a platitude, and perhaps it is in how obvious it is. But if you don't act according to the wisdom of the platitude, perhaps it bears repeating it? Platitudes are a form of universal truths.
I just wish being patient didn't require so much patience ;-)
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I just wish being patient didn't require so much patience ;-)
@woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
Aha, good one, I love it! Since I'm still in nerdsniped state on this whole emergence thing, let me try to come up with yet another platitude then... umm 🤔 ......
Aww, got it. Maybe its garbage, platitudal overload, but at least it sounds deep. 🤣
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@woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
Aha, good one, I love it! Since I'm still in nerdsniped state on this whole emergence thing, let me try to come up with yet another platitude then... umm 🤔 ......
Aww, got it. Maybe its garbage, platitudal overload, but at least it sounds deep. 🤣
@smallcircles @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn I don't get it
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@smallcircles @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn I don't get it
@saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You are right. It is flawed. Happens on the quick-toot modern timeline of our time :)
But this is also emergent design: experiment, test, improve in short cycles.
Another attempt at platitude then. Then it is up to others to counter-platitude me again :D
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There exist no other chess players yet. Can they train with others? Will they understand the excitement of a deep philosophical session where the inventor got an inkling of Magnus Carlsen level genius? Probably not.
Today there are libraries full of chess books. But not then. Should the inventor write all that? He can't. The only way to 'spread' chess about, is for others to experience it with others: social experience. Learn by doing.
My mistake was that I was encouraging people into *doing*, but my continuous explanation seemed to ask "join me on something very complex and vague". That complex and vague being the reverse engineering of complex social dynamics that exist in the #commons, back to simple building blocks and rules. What an emergent designer does. But not at all what you need to know to participate in SX solutions. Everyone does their own thing.
The paradox: Concrete SX practice steers intangible emergent value creation, but what you see at a time is just your 2 cents.
#ParadoxOfEmergence. The Paradox of Emergence entails that the more intricate an #EmergentDesign gets, the more complex #WickedProblems it can potentially solve.
However, all the potential power remains dormant, ethereal and invisible, especially to people other than the designer. It can only be properly perceived and valued, either with deep attention and focus on the emergent dynamics of the design. Or by dilligent practice in the field.
A design may represent a beautiful emergent Golden Dragon of Problem Solving. Waiting in its lair under Wicked Problem mountain for when its time to breathe its Fires of Solution onto mankind. Ready to soar. Yet what most other people and even at times the designer themself perceive is merely a tiny mouse. Thus they are unwilling to add their 2 cents to a Potential they cannot grasp. Unable to see how their support adds to a sizable Dragon's Hoard that has already emerged, lending power to the dragon so it may be unleashed.
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@saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You are right. It is flawed. Happens on the quick-toot modern timeline of our time :)
But this is also emergent design: experiment, test, improve in short cycles.
Another attempt at platitude then. Then it is up to others to counter-platitude me again :D
I see a pin-back button in the works.
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I see a pin-back button in the works.
May I?@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You mean a quote post? Sure, by all means :)
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@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You mean a quote post? Sure, by all means :)
I have a button-making setup. I'd love to make a physical button.
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@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You mean a quote post? Sure, by all means :)
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@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
Oh, that is lovely. You can use it public domain CC0 as a quote by me, Arnold Schrijver, assuming that no one before me has formulated it already.
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@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
Oh, that is lovely. You can use it public domain CC0 as a quote by me, Arnold Schrijver, assuming that no one before me has formulated it already.
@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
I'm pondering now if I should make "SX platitude" a SX artifact. I likely will.
You see, there's a concept of "wisdom tiles" in SX, indicating universal truths that all (or most) people agree on, like "think, before you act". The tile I generated represents a Delft-blue "wisdom tile" and these things used to hang in the toilet in our grandparents house when we were young. You typically gifted them on birthdays of your Grandma. They are now kinda disappearing. It is old-fashioned.
The underlying innercircles simple life philosophy that underpins SX goes from the assumption that "simple solutions still exist". And that in terms of wisdom, knowledge, common sense, and life experience *everything* we need to solve the wicked solutions of our time, is already out there. It is the coordinated application in practice during prolonged times where we drop the ball.
Wisdom is relative, in the eye of the beholder. "Wisdom tile" best avoided.
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@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
I'm pondering now if I should make "SX platitude" a SX artifact. I likely will.
You see, there's a concept of "wisdom tiles" in SX, indicating universal truths that all (or most) people agree on, like "think, before you act". The tile I generated represents a Delft-blue "wisdom tile" and these things used to hang in the toilet in our grandparents house when we were young. You typically gifted them on birthdays of your Grandma. They are now kinda disappearing. It is old-fashioned.
The underlying innercircles simple life philosophy that underpins SX goes from the assumption that "simple solutions still exist". And that in terms of wisdom, knowledge, common sense, and life experience *everything* we need to solve the wicked solutions of our time, is already out there. It is the coordinated application in practice during prolonged times where we drop the ball.
Wisdom is relative, in the eye of the beholder. "Wisdom tile" best avoided.
@Algot @saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
With CC0 there's no need for attribution, but if you want to honor me you may quote as:
-- "Urgent platitudes" quote by Arnold Schrijver, social coder.
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@khleedril @woozle @Profpatsch @eryn
💯 Totally! This is even part of core principles of #SX: Mindfulness.
A movement is timeless and can only progress by participants adding their 2 cts, which accrue over time. Or it pauses, waiting for input. The wicked solution is timeless in a similar way, waiting its lifecycle stage where it solves the wicked problem and sustainably satisfies all stakeholders' evolving needs.
Urgency is provided by individuals. However, if some group or movement has the attitude "Stop the talking, we MUST act NOW and with URGENCY" they have a humongous failure condition right there.
Instead there is prioritised, planned urgency and after breakdown into manageable chunks. It becomes simple then. You talk when you need to talk, and you act when you need to act.
It sounds like a platitude, and perhaps it is in how obvious it is. But if you don't act according to the wisdom of the platitude, perhaps it bears repeating it? Platitudes are a form of universal truths.
@smallcircles @khleedril @woozle @eryn That’s just managed coordination, is it not? Maybe we need someone to come up with a plan in the first place.
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@smallcircles @khleedril @woozle @eryn That’s just managed coordination, is it not? Maybe we need someone to come up with a plan in the first place.
@Profpatsch @smallcircles @woozle @eryn It is not. It is giving people time to innovate, and to make their ideas tangible. Growth can be organic, unmanaged. Give it time to nurture, it will be strong. (The platitude is a bit naff, to be honest).
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@Profpatsch @smallcircles @woozle @eryn It is not. It is giving people time to innovate, and to make their ideas tangible. Growth can be organic, unmanaged. Give it time to nurture, it will be strong. (The platitude is a bit naff, to be honest).
I'd say it's also good to have a plan; outside of capitalism, it's easier for plans to include things like "spending time following up creative impulses until you feel like you're done".
When people are working together, some of them might even want to be available to help others with their impulsive projects -- and from that, new plans, new branches, or new solutions can emerge.
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I'd say it's also good to have a plan; outside of capitalism, it's easier for plans to include things like "spending time following up creative impulses until you feel like you're done".
When people are working together, some of them might even want to be available to help others with their impulsive projects -- and from that, new plans, new branches, or new solutions can emerge.
@woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
Both, based on need I'd say. In SX its mindfulness principle again, and I can expand the sentence above with "plan, when you need to plan".
Plans are certainly needed at different granularity and scope, for different purpose, and likely having relationships to each other too.
Mindfulness is one thing, but Sustainability core principle is about finding the right balance of when to do what and when. You must plan to anticipate your Risks timely, for instance.
Finally there's Playfulness core principle, which is the most powerful, but also only truly comes into play (pun intended) when the other core principles are addressed to a minimal extent.
Here is the freedom to be creative, to experiment, to be flexible and versatile, to work at your own leisure, to just have fun, etc. This all relates to the Joyful creation SX formula, and the stimulation of intrinsic motivation to participate in the commons, find places where you fit, and foster cohesion.
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@saxnot @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn
You are right. It is flawed. Happens on the quick-toot modern timeline of our time :)
But this is also emergent design: experiment, test, improve in short cycles.
Another attempt at platitude then. Then it is up to others to counter-platitude me again :D
@smallcircles @woozle @khleedril @Profpatsch @eryn a lot better!
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