I find the way that some people understand what is and isn't racism mystifying.
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I find the way that some people understand what is and isn't racism mystifying.
TO ME? Saying (lying!) about Black Haitian immigrants "eating cats and dogs" is wildly racist and probably worse than putting the most powerful and untouchable Black American couple in a racist video as apes?
Like both are bad. But the "eating dogs and cats" thing whew! Stinky.
And yet there are these people who were shocked by the video and unmoved by the "cats and dogs" line?
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@futurebird Yet here's a Black journalist basically saying "we knew he was racist, but this is next level". I agree with you, I don't understand it. Maybe it's that racism against famous and influential people is, by its nature, more overt?
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Lying about people eating cats and dogs isn't just being ignorant and suspicious of people you don't know well or understand. It's deeply malicious and dehumanizing.
This isn't assuming the Black person can't possibly be the manager racism. It's not a mistake based on having a bias. It's propagandizing to eliminate humanity.
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What is the issue? It's the same thing. It's a prejudice that Black people are primitive and inhuman. Like apes or some animal that attacks your pets. It's the same racism.
Is it that they don't care if it's not powerful people?
Dazzled by the wealth and power of the Obamas and so you can recognize an insult to them but not to some regular blackfolks?
It is really odd and I do not get it.
These things are equal and we only got a retraction for ONE of them. 2/
@futurebird@sauropods.win I think another, perhaps more charitable, reason is that the video is visual so people have a more visceral emotional reaction to seeing it than reading about something he said in a speech.
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For some white people with racism it's like they have a check list. The following things are racism... and NOTHING else:
1. The n word IF said in a MEAN way.
2. Monkeys
3. Watermelon
4. Segregated Water Fountain Signs.Show them a sign that says "No Blacks Allowed" on a changing room at a store and they are like "well that's different... maybe there is a good reason? People steal"
It's is buck wild. Why even pretend that you care about racism at all?
Some of ya'll are so damn strange.
@futurebird I'm not even going to grant the leeway that some are "damn strange."
I pass because unlike my siblings I am pale skinned. Because I pass, people say wretchedly racist stuff in front of me -- and I watch people who think they aren't racist/claim they aren't racist just stand there, mute, if they don't bob their heads in agreement.
These same people may sway if put on the spot but they never question their own behavior or stop racist behavior in front of them.
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For some white people with racism it's like they have a check list. The following things are racism... and NOTHING else:
1. The n word IF said in a MEAN way.
2. Monkeys
3. Watermelon
4. Segregated Water Fountain Signs.Show them a sign that says "No Blacks Allowed" on a changing room at a store and they are like "well that's different... maybe there is a good reason? People steal"
It's is buck wild. Why even pretend that you care about racism at all?
Some of ya'll are so damn strange.
@futurebird there's an aspect of how white people react to racism which is more about class signifiers than about justice.
For people like this, racism is crass and impolite and low class. "White trash talk like that. Educated people don't" .
They tend to focus on stereotypical and specific examples of racism, like using certain words or sharing certain images.
They don't challenge the underlying assumptions that create racism.
I think that's why many white people react so badly when you point out their racism.
"you're saying I'm one of *those* people and actually I'm educated and polite! "
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@futurebird@sauropods.win I think another, perhaps more charitable, reason is that the video is visual so people have a more visceral emotional reaction to seeing it than reading about something he said in a speech.
Well on one side you have a video, on the other you have Trump himself saying "eating cats and dogs" with his own ugly lips out loud.
With the video he can say "someone posted that not me not me"
He *said* that other BS. And before the election. Everyone heard it. A bunch of people didn't care so it's odd to me that now they do care?
Because it's what? Obama? I thought Ya'll hated him.
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@futurebird there's an aspect of how white people react to racism which is more about class signifiers than about justice.
For people like this, racism is crass and impolite and low class. "White trash talk like that. Educated people don't" .
They tend to focus on stereotypical and specific examples of racism, like using certain words or sharing certain images.
They don't challenge the underlying assumptions that create racism.
I think that's why many white people react so badly when you point out their racism.
"you're saying I'm one of *those* people and actually I'm educated and polite! "
@futurebird @Zumbador Exactly. It's about observing the forms, and nothing else.
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They have NEVER apologized for that "cats and dogs" BS. Some people are still running around thinking it's true.
@futurebird Even the dumbest of us* know the cats and dogs thing is BS. That's nonsense you believe when you're a third grader and haven't figured out Santa yet. We know the truth but there's a bunch of us that enjoys being hateful assholes. It distracts us from our own mediocrity and how the people actually rigging the system against us look just like us but richer.
I would not be a bit surprised if Larry Ellison, Peter Thiel, etc actually ate cats and dogs because they knew they could get away with it as an unhinged power flex. Conversely RFKjr would be dumpster diving out behind the pound because of literal brainworms. Not Stephen Miller though; he just unhinges his jaw and gulps a rat down whole.
White people have some serious problems.
[*] Much as I want to personally want to separate me from them, I'm a White Person and this is a White Person Problem that we need to own and fix.
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For some white people with racism it's like they have a check list. The following things are racism... and NOTHING else:
1. The n word IF said in a MEAN way.
2. Monkeys
3. Watermelon
4. Segregated Water Fountain Signs.Show them a sign that says "No Blacks Allowed" on a changing room at a store and they are like "well that's different... maybe there is a good reason? People steal"
It's is buck wild. Why even pretend that you care about racism at all?
Some of ya'll are so damn strange.
@futurebird
Acknowledging that racism is the toxic waste dump their whole country's history and many of their unexamined norms was built on requires more work from them than not saying the n word. -
For some white people with racism it's like they have a check list. The following things are racism... and NOTHING else:
1. The n word IF said in a MEAN way.
2. Monkeys
3. Watermelon
4. Segregated Water Fountain Signs.Show them a sign that says "No Blacks Allowed" on a changing room at a store and they are like "well that's different... maybe there is a good reason? People steal"
It's is buck wild. Why even pretend that you care about racism at all?
Some of ya'll are so damn strange.
@futurebird media portrayals probably haven’t helped. It’s so easy to form really skewed perspectives on entire groups of people and to be a little conspiratorial the folks who own the big media conglomerates benefit from that
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Some of their racism is so off the charts that it fails to register with me. It's just nonsense to me and I don't even feel offended since I can't make sense of what they are doing. It kind of fails to be hurtful and just looks goofy.
Maybe that's what bothers them?
@futurebird I have no clue.
The description reminds me of my impression that... consensus reality doesn't exist? Like, there are so many people who do not want to look at the real world and real people and understand things; they have their ideas of reality and everything that contradicts them must be fake.
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@lienrag @futurebird It may be more perverse, but the “I don’t like super-obvious racism but tolerate the rest” crowd is more insidious. They are, I think, more numerous and mostly surrounded by other white people who won’t challenge their biases. So they don’t vote for “racism” but they vote for “tough on crime” and won’t believe there’s no difference.
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Well on one side you have a video, on the other you have Trump himself saying "eating cats and dogs" with his own ugly lips out loud.
With the video he can say "someone posted that not me not me"
He *said* that other BS. And before the election. Everyone heard it. A bunch of people didn't care so it's odd to me that now they do care?
Because it's what? Obama? I thought Ya'll hated him.
@futurebird@sauropods.win I'm not saying it's right or that it's less/not racist, I'm just saying I think it's a better explanation for why some people can see it in one but not the other.
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I find the way that some people understand what is and isn't racism mystifying.
TO ME? Saying (lying!) about Black Haitian immigrants "eating cats and dogs" is wildly racist and probably worse than putting the most powerful and untouchable Black American couple in a racist video as apes?
Like both are bad. But the "eating dogs and cats" thing whew! Stinky.
And yet there are these people who were shocked by the video and unmoved by the "cats and dogs" line?
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Is it that (white) people cannot (don't want to) think about racism for themselves.
They have _already_ been told that comparing people to apes is racist, and so can recognise the pattern.
But talking about "eating cats and dogs" is a novel form of racism, and does not get pattern matched
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I do not worry about the Obamas. The Obamas are fine. It's hard for me to feel sad or bad about anything that's said about them. A Haitian working two jobs and living in Ohio having to try to prove that they don't eat cats is MUCH more upsetting to me.
I mean it's all ignorance and very embarrassing.
@futurebird this is exactly what I feel. They threatened the safety of people who dont have unlimited means to shield themselves from harm. That is what made it scary on top of the racism.
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@futurebird this is exactly what I feel. They threatened the safety of people who dont have unlimited means to shield themselves from harm. That is what made it scary on top of the racism.
I think about the little Haitian American school kids and what it has been like for them walking to school or in the lunch room.
The most powerful man in the world is talking pure trash about people like you.
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For some white people with racism it's like they have a check list. The following things are racism... and NOTHING else:
1. The n word IF said in a MEAN way.
2. Monkeys
3. Watermelon
4. Segregated Water Fountain Signs.Show them a sign that says "No Blacks Allowed" on a changing room at a store and they are like "well that's different... maybe there is a good reason? People steal"
It's is buck wild. Why even pretend that you care about racism at all?
Some of ya'll are so damn strange.
I get the point being made, agreeing not questioning it or anything, but what's the thing with watermelon? Does it have something to do with Palestine or?
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I get the point being made, agreeing not questioning it or anything, but what's the thing with watermelon? Does it have something to do with Palestine or?
@futurebird @Nocta_Senestra there is whole racist cliché in US culture around black people and watermelons, the association with the Palestine flag is very recent.
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@futurebird @Nocta_Senestra there is whole racist cliché in US culture around black people and watermelons, the association with the Palestine flag is very recent.
@riff @futurebird Okay, I've never heard of it, you learn every day :o
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@futurebird "Racism is bad. I am not a bad person. Therefore I cannot be a racist. Therefore what I do isn't racism." Many other things can be put in place of racism there, of course.
@RogerBW @futurebird You've just summed up my father's response to any low-key racist comment of his I point out.
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@stefano I'm not sure who's the owner but the guy who talked to me was very young.. well, a typical tiktok user, so that's obvious 🙂
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@peterkotrcka that store in Via Mazzini?
