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  • @eyeinthesky @evan @trwnh the charter has the correct scope. I believe Evan was responding to discussion about the Fediverse and trying to point out the venn diagram overlap of Fediverse and WG charter. As such, indieweb stuff didn't factor in to that conversation. Or at least that was my read -- I raised an eyebrow when I read the email too!

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  • @trwnh @evan @darius So maybe the narrow WG focus is aspirational (or participant-specific) rather than official. I've read that Indieweb leaders like Tantek will be involved so that sounds like there's interest from them too. Maybe there will be somewhat independent subgroups working on different subsets of specs?

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  • @eyeinthesky @evan @darius a lot of this is probably in https://github.com/swicg/meetings but you'll have to find it first -- it's not in one piece

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  • @eyeinthesky @evan @darius i believe the rechartering process led up to people landing on more or less the following:

    - the primary reason for rechartering is that AP people want to work on updating AP/AS2
    - however, there are other specs which also need updates, but don't want to recharter separately
    - the w3c liaisons advised making the charter broader rather than narrower, to avoid potentially needing to amend the charter
    - the work will be driven primarily by availability of editors

    iirc?

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  • On the W3C SocialCG mailing list, I saw that @evan wrote "The WG ... is focused on a narrow core: Activity Streams and ActivityPub." The WG charter describes a much broader scope. What am I missing?

    /cc @darius @trwnh

    https://www.w3.org/2026/01/social-web-wg-charter.html

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  • The new W3C Working Group is not that. Or not just that. It's a "Social Web" Working Group and includes maintenance of ActivityPub, WebSub, Activity Streams, Activity Vocabulary, MicroPub, Linked Data Notifications, Webmention, and LOLA specifications. Maintaining all these disparate specs in one WG seems like it will lead to similar results as the first time this was tried (not great). What's that saying about doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results? 🙃

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  • @bengo i'm genuinely curious to hear your thoughts on this matter, because it seems to me like activitypub and fedi were never really on the same page, and the w3c spec diverged from the mastodon network almost before it was ever published. is there a path to fixing this within w3c cg/wg structure? what does that look like? are there any other paths?

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  • @bengo

    > It's a bad and unfair idea [to make class 3 and 4 changes] [...] Totally respect your position if you disagree

    i'm not super familiar with the w3c process but from a pragmatic standpoint what do you do when userspace is already broken and nothing is class conformant?

    activitystreams was intended to describe streams of activities, and activitypub was intended for publishing activities to those streams of activities. no one in fedi does this. they syndicate posts and discard activities

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    When I first starting #blogging, I used the most popular #CMS, #Wordpress. If you've read my previous posts about the subject, you know I never got along with it—which is why I have my new love, #Hugo 🥰.I haven't deleted it though, and I very occasionally, do post there. This is my latest post:➡️ https://eclecticpassions.net/blog/improve-personal-productivity-modified-eisenhower-matrix/One day, I'll convert it to a static site, but I haven't gotten the chance yet. Meanwhile, I installed the #ActivityPub #wordpressplugins, see it here:➡️ @blog
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    #nextcloud and #syncthing and #deltachat are the real revolutionary technologies of recent. I guess #activitypub too
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    Apologies in advance if I misrepresented anybody or missed any crucial bits of information. Jesse Karmani (jesseplusplus@mastodon.social), Ted Thibodeau Jr. (tallted@mastodon.social, and Julian Lam (julian@activitypub.space) in attendance Julian provided an update on adoption of FEP 7888 Both Piefed and Lemmy have adopted 7888, and will begin publishing resolvable context collections in their next release Jesse opened a PR to Mastodon, which received preliminary approval from Gargron@mastodon.social (ed. it was later merged, rolled back, updated, a new PR opened, which was then merged) This PR is the first of two planned pull requests. The first generates the outgoing context (the same as what Lemmy/Piefed have done recently) The seconds handles incoming contexts and backfills Jesse was asked whether it would conflict with existing reply-tree crawling methods, but the two are complementary. She expects additional discussion before the PR is opened. Julian noted that it would be helpful if statistics/analytics were gathered by the Mastodon team to see how conversation contexts and backfill works at scale; admits that existing implementations and testing has been small scale and may not reflect real-world usage. Julian noted that Lemmy's implementation (nutomic@lemmy.ml) does not paginate their resolvable context implementation. All objects are listed in one OrderedCollection Jesse noted that she followed Mastodon's pagination convention for collections. Context inheritance Julian asked for opinions on whether contexts were inherited in existing implementations. Notes that NodeBB inherits parent context, but checks further up the known parent chain for further contexts Julian admits that not everybody can and should do this, is also not sure anymore whether NodeBB actually does this. Julian notes the ideal implementation would be every object referencing their immediate parent, which would lead to the entire collection referring to the same context collection. Jesse: Decodon inherits immediate parent context only Ted: notes that this is a reinvention of inReplyTo Julian and Jesse note that there are marked differences between crawling the reply chain. A short discussion about how netnews and usenet handled reply chains was had. Julian notes that Lemmy will not inherit context. Every object will point back to its own server's context collection. This was a conscious decision by Nutomic as each instance is meant to consider its own representation of remote content as the canonical representation ActivityPub.Space Julian made a short shout-out to a new site called ActivityPub.Space, meant to be a hub for AP development discussions ("A federated space for ActivityPub discussions so that they don’t just get lost in ephemeral replies") A short double-back to NNTP and how they approach "eventual consistency" Ted: “Cloud of NNTP servers are all hosts of articles and replies.” Strictly speaking it’s not a reply tree as replies can be inReplyTo multiple parents