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  • alisonw@fedimon.ukundefined

    ID cards are bad. Very bad.

    1. Once they exist it will become necessary to always carry it. If you don't you must have something to hide, etc.
    2. They can't stop people working in the 'black economy' because people currently employing those working for cash don't care.
    3. It is another attack on trans and NB people (very unlikely someone would be allowed to have multiple IDs)
    4. Massive data loss of personal information is highly likely.
    5. Who pays? Why should they?
    6. Police state becomes more likely with having your ID inspected whenever a copper wants to harass someone, especially POC.
    7. OTHER OPTIONS ALREADY EXIST!

    ID cards are a very bad, very dangerous, very expensive, and very risky idea.

    ps I'm not a 'Brit'. I'm British, or more specifically English!

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  • alisonw@fedimon.ukundefined alisonw@fedimon.uk

    ID cards are bad. Very bad.

    1. Once they exist it will become necessary to always carry it. If you don't you must have something to hide, etc.
    2. They can't stop people working in the 'black economy' because people currently employing those working for cash don't care.
    3. It is another attack on trans and NB people (very unlikely someone would be allowed to have multiple IDs)
    4. Massive data loss of personal information is highly likely.
    5. Who pays? Why should they?
    6. Police state becomes more likely with having your ID inspected whenever a copper wants to harass someone, especially POC.
    7. OTHER OPTIONS ALREADY EXIST!

    ID cards are a very bad, very dangerous, very expensive, and very risky idea.

    ps I'm not a 'Brit'. I'm British, or more specifically English!

    edzilla@social.edzilla.infoundefined

    @AlisonW
    I'm curious, as a Belgian with a mandatory ID card (and French, same situation), it's never felt like such a huge issue.
    You can get your gender changed fairly easily and it is reflected on the ID card. and it makes identifying with online government services much easier. (think taxes, unemployment benefits, etc)
    It has zero impact on taxes avoidance or anything like that but at least in Belgium it was never meant to so that's ok.

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  • edzilla@social.edzilla.infoundefined edzilla@social.edzilla.info

    @AlisonW
    I'm curious, as a Belgian with a mandatory ID card (and French, same situation), it's never felt like such a huge issue.
    You can get your gender changed fairly easily and it is reflected on the ID card. and it makes identifying with online government services much easier. (think taxes, unemployment benefits, etc)
    It has zero impact on taxes avoidance or anything like that but at least in Belgium it was never meant to so that's ok.

    wanwizard@mastodon.scotundefined

    @edzilla @AlisonW I was part of the team that implemented the e-ID in Flanders.

    The difference is that Schengen ID cards are just that. The provide an ID in the same way a passport does, and, because they are also a smartcard, they can be used not only for identification but also authentication.

    Key is that it sits securely in your own pocket.

    The proposed system is a central database with a viewer in the form of a mobile app. The opposite of "in your pocket", it's more like the eVISA system.

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    Thinking more about 'identity' cards and apps has reminded me that I didn't have to provide *any* proof of who I was when I applied for my first passport.

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    cstross@wandering.shopundefined
    @AlisonW There were two authenticating steps then, though. (I did that too.) Firstly, you attended the PO *in person*. And secondly, your passport photo was signed on the back by someone with a public reputation—GP, lawyer, bank manager, someone. So arguably an informal distributed "web of trust" approach existed.This model broke down at the same time the "job for life" went away.