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I can’t even describe how ridiculous the series of steps are that are required to enable multiplayer on java minecraft for an account of someone under 12. literally 100% of the labels on the relevant options are simply incorrect. there are constant references to “xbox” when nothing here is even vaguely related to xbox. this is a java game on a macintosh computer with multiplayer on my LAN. the text in the tooltip on the disabled multiplayer button also gives inaccurate instructions for fixing it
@glyph oh my god I have had to go through this too. It is horrible. We have Minecraft on the Switch and trying to get it to play online for our 6 year old (in a Minecraft run private server) has been impossible. It keeps logging him out and each time we have to run a gauntlet of this stuff. I’ve given up honestly
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@luis_in_brief haha. have you already figured it out? I can help you with this part (I will literally hop on a call if you need, this was almost implausibly miserable)
@glyph appreciate the offer! Probably a next-weekend problem, after I consult with the other parents whose kids A wants to share realms/building with.
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@glyph oh my god I have had to go through this too. It is horrible. We have Minecraft on the Switch and trying to get it to play online for our 6 year old (in a Minecraft run private server) has been impossible. It keeps logging him out and each time we have to run a gauntlet of this stuff. I’ve given up honestly
@CatherineFlick Bedrock is an entire additional layer of misery which is why I have been gently guiding other parents towards Java when they can manage it. But some kids don’t have devices that can run it, and so we are in the process of setting up Geyser and Floodgate and all kinds of backend sadness. I have even done it once before but replicating it is nigh impossible
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@CatherineFlick Bedrock is an entire additional layer of misery which is why I have been gently guiding other parents towards Java when they can manage it. But some kids don’t have devices that can run it, and so we are in the process of setting up Geyser and Floodgate and all kinds of backend sadness. I have even done it once before but replicating it is nigh impossible
@glyph I've set that up a few times, and currently maintain it on two servers. I'm using Paper instead of vanilla+Fabric, though, which may not match your scenario.
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@jwz @cstross for a while I thought that banks were avoiding implementing cheap but sophisticated authentication methods because they'd already priced in the fraud and didn't want to bother spending "engineering resources" (an incorrect model of how digital services infrastructure is maintained, but I digress) to do something that would merely hedge a risk they'd already hedged, but this model has broken down somewhat as they have "spent the resources" and made things uniformly worse
@glyph @jwz @cstross I bought some yubikeys a while back because I thought I ought to be taking security seriously.
They were great at first.
Now, in order to use them, I have to dismiss at least two other offers of passkeys (that won't work) and press at least one button that looks like it's going to cancel the login but which is actually required to proceed.
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@glyph I've set that up a few times, and currently maintain it on two servers. I'm using Paper instead of vanilla+Fabric, though, which may not match your scenario.
@hjhornbeck I am just looking for something that is safe to be internet-exposed, that can maintain an allowlist, and that takes as little effort to admin as possible
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at the end of the process we needed to go to the xbox settings page which you get to by going to the xbox account page, and then to the settings of the account page, and then the account settings of the settings account
@glyph toots that read like I am having a stronk while reading them
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once you’ve fixed the setting it obviously isn’t reflected in the game. in order to enable this functionality you need to quit the game, log out of the launcher, quit the launcher, *reboot your computer* apparently, and then launch the launcher, ans reauthenticate in the launcher BUT NOT IN A WEB BROWSER. don’t do it too fast though, gotta give the sync state time to replicate through some opaque backend
@glyph I just last week tried to get through this process after my son had to reinstall Windows on his gaming PC - we had not touched any settings, but Minecraft insisted he can't do multiplayer, which worked completely fine before for years.
After running in circles in the settings for hours, I simply made him 18 (he's almost 16) in the age settings, had him log in and release himself out of the MS family settings, and now he can do multiplayer again.
MS forgot how to do software engineering.
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@hjhornbeck I am just looking for something that is safe to be internet-exposed, that can maintain an allowlist, and that takes as little effort to admin as possible
@glyph No preference between Paper or Fabric? A quick guide for the latter:
1. Download Fabric Installer from https://fabricmc.net/use/server/ , follow docs to install.
2. Head to https://modrinth.com/mods , download Fabric API, Sodium, and Lithium into mods directory.
3. Head to https://geysermc.org/download/?project=geyser , download Fabric versions of Geyser and Floodgate into mods.
4. Launch it all. Log in with Minecraft via local network. Use the server-side console to make yourself an /op and enable a /whitelist.
5. Expose TCP/25565 and UDP/19132 to the internet.
6. Use /fwhitelist to add Bedrock players, partial docs here: https://geysermc.org/wiki/floodgate/faq/Paper is slightly easier, skip step 2 and use Paper/Spigot plugins instead. Download: https://papermc.io/downloads/paper
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@glyph No preference between Paper or Fabric? A quick guide for the latter:
1. Download Fabric Installer from https://fabricmc.net/use/server/ , follow docs to install.
2. Head to https://modrinth.com/mods , download Fabric API, Sodium, and Lithium into mods directory.
3. Head to https://geysermc.org/download/?project=geyser , download Fabric versions of Geyser and Floodgate into mods.
4. Launch it all. Log in with Minecraft via local network. Use the server-side console to make yourself an /op and enable a /whitelist.
5. Expose TCP/25565 and UDP/19132 to the internet.
6. Use /fwhitelist to add Bedrock players, partial docs here: https://geysermc.org/wiki/floodgate/faq/Paper is slightly easier, skip step 2 and use Paper/Spigot plugins instead. Download: https://papermc.io/downloads/paper
@glyph One annoyance is that Bedrock updates frequently, usually in the background. Need to update Geyser at minimum, sometimes Floodgate as well. ViaVersion is the Java equivalent.
As for updating the server itself, Paper's a bit easier. Just download a new copy over paper.jar, update plugins to latest, restart server. Auto-updating plugins is a bad idea for security reasons, I manually update monthly (or if kids complain, just do ViaVersion/Geyser/Floodgate). Geyser/Floodgate updates can be automated via wget/curl and some manual scripting. Modrinth has an excellent API that others have hooked into, here's a Fabric auto-updater that looks sensible: https://github.com/SushiSanCat/ModrinthCollectionDownloader
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@CatherineFlick Bedrock is an entire additional layer of misery which is why I have been gently guiding other parents towards Java when they can manage it. But some kids don’t have devices that can run it, and so we are in the process of setting up Geyser and Floodgate and all kinds of backend sadness. I have even done it once before but replicating it is nigh impossible
@glyph honestly how the fuck is this so hard
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the folks trying to get open source developers to boycott github are barking up the wrong tree. just get an agent hired at microsoft who internally advocates to remove unnecessary duplication in the login systems. get a promo out of it, it totally makes business sense. require every current github user to use login dot live dot com. 50% marketshare reduction within the year, I guarantee you
@glyph This is evil. I approve.
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@luis_in_brief @glyph this was mentioned in another thread/branch, but Luanti with either VoxeLibre or Mineclonia is what I'll be looking into for my kids when they're older (oldest isn't ready yet with fine motor & coordination).
I've actually played it a fair amount myself and it does replicate enough of the Minecraft experience. Console availability might be the only blocker; I haven't looked into that aspect at all.
One of my research projects is on Minecraft/voxel games right now. If you're forced into the Microsoft gauntlet via friend groups etc., my condolences.
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@luis_in_brief @glyph this was mentioned in another thread/branch, but Luanti with either VoxeLibre or Mineclonia is what I'll be looking into for my kids when they're older (oldest isn't ready yet with fine motor & coordination).
I've actually played it a fair amount myself and it does replicate enough of the Minecraft experience. Console availability might be the only blocker; I haven't looked into that aspect at all.
One of my research projects is on Minecraft/voxel games right now. If you're forced into the Microsoft gauntlet via friend groups etc., my condolences.
@tiotasram @luis_in_brief I appreciate the recommendation here and I might even try it out, but viewing this through the lens of "just" being "forced" into it via a few friends misunderstands the nature of network effects and social fabric.
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@tiotasram @luis_in_brief I appreciate the recommendation here and I might even try it out, but viewing this through the lens of "just" being "forced" into it via a few friends misunderstands the nature of network effects and social fabric.
@tiotasram @luis_in_brief The social infrastructure around Minecraft is not just that a few friends might already play. It's that billions of people already play, and one is likely to make friends with one of them. It's that out of the billions who already play, there are "Let's Play" streamers and technical minecrafters from whom you can learn the details of the rules. It's the availability of specific build tutorials to learn techniques and aesthetics that match the kid's own goals.
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@glyph @luis_in_brief good point!
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@glyph tusky adding support WHEN
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@bert_hubert zucht, uiteraard weer de Belastingdienst.
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@oatmeal
Nope
I'm off to the schools I work in with the original
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@antonej
Solo alcune delle perle... Per lui la "democrazia" russa e quella ucraina pari sono.
Ha paragonato Putin a Zelensky, ha detto che il russo era vietato in ucraina, anche se è parlato dalla stragrande parte della popolazione... E via così.
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@oatmeal Me and my children loved the mantis comic. They will love this one as I already do.
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No we don't.
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I’ve also drawn a classroom-friendly (SFW) version if you want to share the comic with kids
https://theoatmeal.com/comics/naked_mole_rats_sfw
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We need to talk about naked mole rats
https://theoatmeal.com/comics/naked_mole_rats
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@las_lallero La modella inglese (?). Boh tipo mai vista. Sono vecchio? 👴🏻
