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@glyph If you had that engineer and only about 3kWh of energy and 12 liters of water, could the engineer do it in a week?
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
This is something I really struggle w/, I explain to folks you can only get meaningful results of the problem you are trying to solve or something close to it is well or overrepresented in the training set.
Folks often eventually agree and then go onto to argue things that can't possibly logically follow once you accept this.
It is as-if folks see LLM and their brains just turn it into "magic" somewhere along the way.
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph But wait! What is this I see in my vibe coded content? Could this be....a fuck off variable? Seriously, people are naming their variables things like "theHTMLDohickey", and those are showing up in "innovative and original" vibe code from LLMs.
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This is something I really struggle w/, I explain to folks you can only get meaningful results of the problem you are trying to solve or something close to it is well or overrepresented in the training set.
Folks often eventually agree and then go onto to argue things that can't possibly logically follow once you accept this.
It is as-if folks see LLM and their brains just turn it into "magic" somewhere along the way.
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@RichiH @bornach @GroupNebula563 @glyph t being what here?
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1. Or maybe the senior engineer would have simply written all the code and it wouldn't have taken that long. Nobody measures this. We don't even know yet if it's a "force multiplier" or a distraction. I've written at length about this phenomenon here: https://blog.glyph.im/2025/08/futzing-fraction.html
2. Or maybe they would have solved the actual social problem instead, i.e. that the original library is insufficiently maintained, rather than rewriting to move the locus of control closer to themselves.
1. We have (for a given value of we, also have). It is. With dragons and foot guns.
2. Great point. One of my favourite techniques for working with LLMs is telling it not to write a thing 😂.
I did enjoy your opening post though.
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1. We have (for a given value of we, also have). It is. With dragons and foot guns.
2. Great point. One of my favourite techniques for working with LLMs is telling it not to write a thing 😂.
I did enjoy your opening post though.
1. [citation needed]. and not like, sarcastically. I have heard this claim from enthusiasts over and over, but it’s always in secret internal discussions where there’s no methodology (or even results) to evaluate.
meanwhile, in the public scientific record:
https://hackaday.com/2025/07/11/measuring-the-impact-of-llms-on-experienced-developer-productivity/
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1. Or maybe the senior engineer would have simply written all the code and it wouldn't have taken that long. Nobody measures this. We don't even know yet if it's a "force multiplier" or a distraction. I've written at length about this phenomenon here: https://blog.glyph.im/2025/08/futzing-fraction.html
2. Or maybe they would have solved the actual social problem instead, i.e. that the original library is insufficiently maintained, rather than rewriting to move the locus of control closer to themselves.
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@glyph It's pretty good.
Like, consistently better than any of the pre-LSP approaches.
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@glyph It's pretty good.
Like, consistently better than any of the pre-LSP approaches.
@offby1 I am, thus far, pretty disappointed
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@glyph My main experience of pyright is as a less buggy and broken MyPy.
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@glyph My main experience of pyright is as a less buggy and broken MyPy.
@glyph That's damnation by faint praise, though...
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph (I giggled) Worthy meme material 👍 .
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@GroupNebula563 @bornach @RichiH @glyph also it's just called desalination with extra steps, which is already an expensive process, and I think operating salty pipes carries its own batch of problems. It's already nerve-wracking enough running water around tons of computers (eventually every pipe will need to be replaced, or it'll break...)
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph We're getting close to building a table of tasks that 2020s AI is good for, and tasks it's not
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@neurobashing @glyph FWIW Ruff has mostly been waiting for ty to handle multi-file type-aware lint rules. We plan to integrate those bits of ty back into Ruff at some point in this coming year.
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph Psh, I can do it with *only* the full source code of an existing library.
That’s called efficiency.
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
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@tuban_muzuru I have no idea what point you are trying to make here.
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@neurobashing @glyph FWIW Ruff has mostly been waiting for ty to handle multi-file type-aware lint rules. We plan to integrate those bits of ty back into Ruff at some point in this coming year.
@amethyst @neurobashing to be clear I am not "hating" on it, for what it does it's fine. but without support for mypy plugins it's just useless to me, personally.
I think that pressures in the community given the popularity of astral's tools will probably sunset Zope Interface eventually, at least with its current syntax, so the solution for me will probably, eventually, be that I use ty and stop doing anything fun or interesting with type-check-time verification. Doesn't help *today*, though.
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@brozu @fucinafibonacci @colpam @Paoletta1908 @IlCava @uz eh sì, il Milan strameritava di vincere col genoa ... Oggi non lo so
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@dansup will you do more interviews outside of the fediverse ecosystem to promote it even more
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@brozu @Lucatermite @colpam @Paoletta1908 @IlCava @uz stasera mi aspetto un risultato clamoroso
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@fucinafibonacci @Lucatermite @colpam @Paoletta1908 @IlCava @uz
Sembrerò pessimista, ma purtroppo alla fine i 2 punti in meno che avrebbe potuto avere il #Milan tra oggi (traversa all’ultimo minuto di #Brescianini) e 3 giorni fa (furbata di #Pavlovic) rimangono una quasi vittoria in più 🤷♂️
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@Lucatermite @colpam @brozu @Paoletta1908 @IlCava @uz il risultato del pomeriggio è ottimo: pareggio con l'ultima in classifica!
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today my mac prompted me to update my OS to Tahoe.
I don't like liquid glass, anything else worth having?
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@colpam @brozu @Paoletta1908 @fucinafibonacci @IlCava @uz hahaha ... allora non concentrarti anche staseraaaaa 😀 buon pomeriggio sventuraaaaaata 😀
