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@glyph Worth noting - these machines also depend on some rather recent physics to even be plausible. So, there's also a layer of physics, material science, etc. academics at mostly universities, scattered across the world, mostly funded by public spending on sciences, to even get to the point the engineers could try to build something that works at all on this scale.
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@glyph Worth noting - these machines also depend on some rather recent physics to even be plausible. So, there's also a layer of physics, material science, etc. academics at mostly universities, scattered across the world, mostly funded by public spending on sciences, to even get to the point the engineers could try to build something that works at all on this scale.
@miss_rodent yeah the video is partially a story about that part of the process, or at least a window into it. apropos of the point in my linked thread, even if LLMs could do this kind of reasoning (they can't) we are a thousand years and dozens of general breakthroughs away from a context window large enough to even hold the required prerequisites to start reasoning out these problems even in just the AI tech itself
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@miss_rodent yeah the video is partially a story about that part of the process, or at least a window into it. apropos of the point in my linked thread, even if LLMs could do this kind of reasoning (they can't) we are a thousand years and dozens of general breakthroughs away from a context window large enough to even hold the required prerequisites to start reasoning out these problems even in just the AI tech itself
@glyph Oh, yeah, LLMs are ... idk, this hype wave jsut makes me think of ELIZA (1966 simulated therapist), really.
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@glyph Oh, yeah, LLMs are ... idk, this hype wave jsut makes me think of ELIZA (1966 simulated therapist), really.
With about the same chance of achieving sapience.@glyph Complete with ELIZA effect....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effectThis just feels like one of the dumbest 'those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it' situations I've been alive for.
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@glyph yeaaaah
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@glyph @mcc then it becomes potentially easier. You would have to source some of the chemicals, which may not be produced in NA anymore but eh. That is probably manageable.
Note that if you Manhattan project it, you may be able to produce a few batch but you will lack the repeatable good yield. That needs experience that need time.
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@glyph DUDE Thank you for linking this: https://theoutpost.ai/news-story/major-study-reveals-ai-benchmarks-may-be-misleading-casting-doubt-on-reported-capabilities-21513/
I've been angry about yet another "look, the benchmark says this LLM can do {x} amazing thing!" (with spurrious claims and lots of caveats) for a full day.
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@glyph I really like your point about scaling down. Even when I was in undergrad, there were already pieces about how the long free lunch was finally over, but damned if the strategy of relying on hardware progress for all software improvements isn't entirely unsustainable.
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@glyph great read, always a delight when people make well-argued claims for not trying to go for unreasonable scales!
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@glyph I really like your point about scaling down. Even when I was in undergrad, there were already pieces about how the long free lunch was finally over, but damned if the strategy of relying on hardware progress for all software improvements isn't entirely unsustainable.
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@ireneista @cthos @xgranade this isn't exactly a "cheerful" thought, but it's also not horribly grim: I think we already saw it break down in 2020, and we saw both how brittle it is (nobody had enough slack in their supply chain to actually weather the disruption without exposing catastrophic delays to customers) but also its resilience (customers were super mad, alternate pathways DID come online in less than a year)
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@glyph I see a pretty clear parallel to the middle period of, and tail end of the 19th century, where a lot of the "easy" discoveries had been, well... discovered... and the rate of progress in the sciences and inventions slowed until there was some significant breakthrough (the steam engine, in the first part of the century, and then electricity, oil, and oceanic telegraph lines, and later the linotype, breaking the mid-century lul and speeding advances up to WWI again)
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@glyph I see a pretty clear parallel to the middle period of, and tail end of the 19th century, where a lot of the "easy" discoveries had been, well... discovered... and the rate of progress in the sciences and inventions slowed until there was some significant breakthrough (the steam engine, in the first part of the century, and then electricity, oil, and oceanic telegraph lines, and later the linotype, breaking the mid-century lul and speeding advances up to WWI again)
@glyph not to say we'll have another linotype or telegraph; more that I think we're running out of "easy" parts for progress with computers, so unless we get something new through material science, physics, chemistry, something like that, it's likely that all we have left available with current understanding is the hard stuff.
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@glyph maaaaaan I just started reading and I am ALREADY MAD
about your rudely accurate observation we are now ONE QUARTER INTO THE CENTURY
🕸️🧓🏻🪦
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@glyph not to say we'll have another linotype or telegraph; more that I think we're running out of "easy" parts for progress with computers, so unless we get something new through material science, physics, chemistry, something like that, it's likely that all we have left available with current understanding is the hard stuff.
@glyph Maybe quantum computing will unlock a whole new set of easy things (I'm... not confident in that, but, it could do. It's at least a lot faster for certain sorts of things, in the rare cases we can figure out how to actually implement something useful.)
But, there could also just... not be "easy" parts left.
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@stefano Close one. Glad you made! It had rear traction, right? A bugger to regain control if traction gets lost.
It's a bit like a certain subtle sound I'll never forget. A very large wood construction- and timber market center right before my window of my childrens bedroom completely went up into flames in the middle of the dead night when I was young.
Much later, when my wife and me were living together one night I woke up by that subtle sound again and knew right away something big lit up. It was the bikeshed of our neigbours. We were able to call the FD and alerted the neighbours, who were still asleep at that point, to get out.🤷♀️
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@robhardware excellent point Rob. I also feel that vanity metrics play a lot into it too... they are reluctant to leave behind a platform - and rebuild from scratch in a new place - if they had accumulated a lot of followers over the years.
IMHO it's all about optics and ego - even if X has armies of bots and engagement has plummeted for real users... when will they see the light?
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Ieri su Radio Popolare è andata in onda una chiacchierata con me.
Mi piace Radio Pop <3
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La logica dei cartoni
Il cerotto sul vestito
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@elena @404mediaco @Em0nM4stodon Absolutely agree. I imagine there are quite a few politicians who instinctively feel they should be off X being advised by their political parties comms teams that they are losing a huge advertising opportunity, especially during elections, if they leave, and that they would be at a disadvantage to their opponents. Until the stigma of using X outweighs the electoral cost, I'm just not sure how much change we'll see.
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@macfranc @lauramassera @eticadigitale beh, attenzione perché la Apple deve assolutamente garantire (quasi per contratto) ai suoi clienti la privacy e la protezione dei loro dati. Tanto da avvisare loro stessi diversi clienti che nemmeno si erano accorti di aver subito intrusioni e controlli attivi sui propri dispositivi offrendo persino assistenza legale. Difendono semplicemente il loro "feudo" dando protezione (finché conviene) ai loro protetti che continuano semplicemente a consumare gadget e giochini digitali. Della libertà e della privacy in sé non gliene importa nulla a nessuno, né a chi si lascia possedere né tantomeno alle grandi aziende come Apple.
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Lavoratore muore per il freddo nei cantieri delle olimpiadi a cortina. “lo specchio del lavoro tossico e nocivo dei grandi eventi”
@anarchia
È morto per il freddo all’età di 55 anni Pietro Zantonini, originario di Brindisi, durante un turno di vigilanza notturna nel cantiere delle olimpiadi Milano-Cortina.
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@lauramassera Hai assolutamente ragione, ma diciamo anche che nel 2025 è impossibile non riconoscere che la malvagità antisociale è il tratto distintivo di quelle Big Tech che spesso si presentavano eticamente candide.
L'unica eccezione è probabilmente quella di Apple che effettivamente ha deciso, sia anche solo per questioni di marketing e narrativa aziendale, di opporsi alle nuove tendenze del cattivismo trumpiano
