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@glyph @seanlinsley you misunderstand. "the devs" are a 3rd party porting house given a month and a shoestring budget, and the singular person who is assigned to the project is working as hard as they possibly can to make it good despite the harsh constraints because they actually do give a shit and the egg is on their face if it sucks. the myth of the lazy developers is nothing more than a myth
@glyph @seanlinsley and in the case of the aforementioned metrics, the port was an unusually well funded port worked on by very competent people
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@seanlinsley @glyph i'm reminded of a memorable conversation with a friend back in college where i was ranting about the difficulty of porting some project of mine to osx, and he listened with amusement and then when i was done venting he asked sagaciously if i had considered simply not bothering, and then proceeded to fire up windows on his macbook
@aeva @seanlinsley the fact that you (and you are definitely not alone in this) call it an “osx” port is a hilarious little microcosm of the broader problem. like imagine what it would say about the average quality of the windows gaming experience if most developers ran linux and spoke exclusively about getting their games an “xp version” in 2025
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@glyph @seanlinsley and in the case of the aforementioned metrics, the port was an unusually well funded port worked on by very competent people
@aeva @seanlinsley sorry I was voicing a Gamer there not describing my own views, I apologize for the confusion
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@aeva @seanlinsley sorry I was voicing a Gamer there not describing my own views, I apologize for the confusion
@aeva @seanlinsley in my own experience most recent mac ports, even under-resourced ones, are actually pretty fantastic, especially if there is *any* acknowledgment that Metal exists, and the collective memory of bad performance largely comes from years-old games in the steam back catalog that run under rosetta2
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@aeva @seanlinsley the fact that you (and you are definitely not alone in this) call it an “osx” port is a hilarious little microcosm of the broader problem. like imagine what it would say about the average quality of the windows gaming experience if most developers ran linux and spoke exclusively about getting their games an “xp version” in 2025
@glyph @seanlinsley ok i guess i walked into an apple shibboleth for calling apple's flagship operating system what they've called it for most of the past 20 years. at the time that conversation happened (the college project one not the AAA anecdote), apple was still telling everyone commodity intel processors were the most advanced thing on the planet (but only when they use them) and I'm not entirely sure ios was a thing yet. i sure as hell wasn't porting anything to os9
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@glyph @seanlinsley ok i guess i walked into an apple shibboleth for calling apple's flagship operating system what they've called it for most of the past 20 years. at the time that conversation happened (the college project one not the AAA anecdote), apple was still telling everyone commodity intel processors were the most advanced thing on the planet (but only when they use them) and I'm not entirely sure ios was a thing yet. i sure as hell wasn't porting anything to os9
@aeva @glyph @seanlinsley personally I will often intentionally use the wrong name for commercial products as a pure sign of disrespect
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@aeva @seanlinsley in my own experience most recent mac ports, even under-resourced ones, are actually pretty fantastic, especially if there is *any* acknowledgment that Metal exists, and the collective memory of bad performance largely comes from years-old games in the steam back catalog that run under rosetta2
@aeva @seanlinsley I have also personally experienced formal, declared game industry crunch on more than one occasion and believe that anyone who would unironically utter the phrase “lazy devs” is a cretin who is almost certainly wrong about literally everything
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@glyph @seanlinsley ok i guess i walked into an apple shibboleth for calling apple's flagship operating system what they've called it for most of the past 20 years. at the time that conversation happened (the college project one not the AAA anecdote), apple was still telling everyone commodity intel processors were the most advanced thing on the planet (but only when they use them) and I'm not entirely sure ios was a thing yet. i sure as hell wasn't porting anything to os9
@glyph @seanlinsley i thought "booting windows" on a mac would have been the dead ringer that this was a hot minute ago to the serious apple fans but guess not
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@aeva @glyph @seanlinsley personally I will often intentionally use the wrong name for commercial products as a pure sign of disrespect
@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley critically, i cannot spare a single neuron for keeping track of apple's branding and trademark whimsy. there's no apple in my life right now *at all*, so i don't really get why i'd be expected to.
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@aeva @glyph @seanlinsley personally I will often intentionally use the wrong name for commercial products as a pure sign of disrespect
@mcc@mastodon.social @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place @glyph@mastodon.social @seanlinsley@mastodon.social sometimes, when my phone autocorrects a product name to be capitalised, I explicitly go back and change it to lower case.
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@glyph @seanlinsley i thought "booting windows" on a mac would have been the dead ringer that this was a hot minute ago to the serious apple fans but guess not
@aeva @seanlinsley the nomenclature was absolutely correct at the time! and technically you are correct that they referred to it as some version of “OS X” for “most” of the last 20 years. but only because it was current for the 11 years preceding 2016. also it’s fine to call it that, it’s just indicative of apple’s own somewhat confused meandering around on the branding for this. I was reacting to the fact that your AAA anecdote used the label, not the flashback
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@aeva @seanlinsley the nomenclature was absolutely correct at the time! and technically you are correct that they referred to it as some version of “OS X” for “most” of the last 20 years. but only because it was current for the 11 years preceding 2016. also it’s fine to call it that, it’s just indicative of apple’s own somewhat confused meandering around on the branding for this. I was reacting to the fact that your AAA anecdote used the label, not the flashback
@aeva @seanlinsley I used to get this wrong *while working at apple*, because it just wasn’t clear everywhere, and the intermittent scoldings I received are one reason it sticks out to me today
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@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley critically, i cannot spare a single neuron for keeping track of apple's branding and trademark whimsy. there's no apple in my life right now *at all*, so i don't really get why i'd be expected to.
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley you aren’t! that’s the point that I was making, it’s not relevant or salient enough that most people would do so. I am not trying to correct your usage, feel free to continue calling it “osx”, many open source toolchains still do so too
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@aeva @glyph @seanlinsley personally I will often intentionally use the wrong name for commercial products as a pure sign of disrespect
@mcc @aeva @glyph @seanlinsley "aah yes OSIDGAF"
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@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley critically, i cannot spare a single neuron for keeping track of apple's branding and trademark whimsy. there's no apple in my life right now *at all*, so i don't really get why i'd be expected to.
@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley if I'm ever in the position where my professional work has me working on apple stuff i'll take it just as seriously as anything else in my work, but that's not my work right now.
a decade or so ago i'd have been more interested in porting side projects like mollytime, but i gather you have to pay rent on these things now and lol no, that's not happening for a project that already makes negative money
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@seanlinsley @glyph i'm reminded of a memorable conversation with a friend back in college where i was ranting about the difficulty of porting some project of mine to osx, and he listened with amusement and then when i was done venting he asked sagaciously if i had considered simply not bothering, and then proceeded to fire up windows on his macbook
@aeva @seanlinsley @glyph king shit, ngl
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@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley if I'm ever in the position where my professional work has me working on apple stuff i'll take it just as seriously as anything else in my work, but that's not my work right now.
a decade or so ago i'd have been more interested in porting side projects like mollytime, but i gather you have to pay rent on these things now and lol no, that's not happening for a project that already makes negative money
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley yep, $99/year to make a binary that can be double-clicked upon. it sucks.
but I do already pay that rent, and I have an open offer to mutuals that if you ever have a side-project or open source thing that would probably work on a mac but needs the pixie dust, let me know and I will bless it appropriately and maybe write a build script. obviously not offering infinite free porting work but if it’s just to dismiss the toll troll I am happy to help
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley yep, $99/year to make a binary that can be double-clicked upon. it sucks.
but I do already pay that rent, and I have an open offer to mutuals that if you ever have a side-project or open source thing that would probably work on a mac but needs the pixie dust, let me know and I will bless it appropriately and maybe write a build script. obviously not offering infinite free porting work but if it’s just to dismiss the toll troll I am happy to help
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley (*I* need the source to do this but for moots it does not need to *be* open source, as long as you trust my discretion)
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@aeva @seanlinsley the nomenclature was absolutely correct at the time! and technically you are correct that they referred to it as some version of “OS X” for “most” of the last 20 years. but only because it was current for the 11 years preceding 2016. also it’s fine to call it that, it’s just indicative of apple’s own somewhat confused meandering around on the branding for this. I was reacting to the fact that your AAA anecdote used the label, not the flashback
@glyph @seanlinsley ah. last time i regularly used Apple OS(i can't be bothered to find the unicode tm symbol you'll just have to imagine it) was my previous job, which i got fired from in early 2016 iirc. i wasn't kidding when i said "a friend" worked on a AAA port
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley yep, $99/year to make a binary that can be double-clicked upon. it sucks.
but I do already pay that rent, and I have an open offer to mutuals that if you ever have a side-project or open source thing that would probably work on a mac but needs the pixie dust, let me know and I will bless it appropriately and maybe write a build script. obviously not offering infinite free porting work but if it’s just to dismiss the toll troll I am happy to help
@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley oh cool. that's not against the rules?
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