@glyph Did you quote post something?
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@morgan “Why push a Fedora distro these days?”
What's wrong with Fedora? It works perfectly well and is well-maintained. I've been a moderately satisfied Fedora user for 20 years…
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@ubernostrum @glyph @morgan Why not Windows?
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@morgan “Why push a Fedora distro these days?”
What's wrong with Fedora? It works perfectly well and is well-maintained. I've been a moderately satisfied Fedora user for 20 years…
@krans @ubernostrum @glyph the initial complaint was that it was confusing for someone new to Linux to install a deb file on Fedora, which seems trivial for someone who's used Linux for some time however not to someone new.
Reality is this was the first experience and that experience was, why did the file that Discord gave me for Linux not work on Linux?
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@glyph hooray! a new and awful way to tell people that every symptom is probably cancer!
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@glyph we also have "let's ask the chatbot about the economy (that is currently being propped up by chatbots)"
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@glyph we also have "let's ask the chatbot about the economy (that is currently being propped up by chatbots)"
@hugo I cannot stress enough that in no way does ChatGPT “think” things
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It is difficult to express how bad microsoft’s authentication system is. like it’s not just “bad” or “broken” or “buggy”, it is a world-historic interaction design catastrophe. no matter how bad you think it is, no, it’s worse than that actually.
@glyph I had an astonishingly similar experience prior to passkeys. It was a nightmare to understand and navigate. Microsoft layered Passkeys on top of a mountain of shit hoping that suddenly the smell might be less obvious. It isn't.
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granted, probably 1/3 of the difficulties here have to do with microsoft’s ill-conceived “think of the children” account system, and buying the game as a regular adult with a single account would have been massively easier. but still, you’d think that a PM somewhere in the org would have considered that it is *possible* that a child might want to play … minecraft
@glyph I went to play a little Minecraft recently and they had deleted my account with no path to recovery to play the game I paid for fair and square. I would never recommend people buy anything from them.
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@glyph I went to play a little Minecraft recently and they had deleted my account with no path to recovery to play the game I paid for fair and square. I would never recommend people buy anything from them.
@mirth bummer :-(. the migration window was open for like … 10 years, but my spouse also almost missed it, and only caught it by luck. she either didn’t get, spam-trapped, or didn’t read the relevant migration spam and she only noticed that she needed to do a manual migration because she happened to get a new machine and thus lost her old-style auth cookie a few months before it closed forever
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@morgan having created a google account in the dark times where I do not think a gmail address was necessary, I am frankly glad that they stopped allowing that. or maybe I did have a gmail account but also had another email I could log in with, but it absolutely never worked correctly
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@morgan having created a google account in the dark times where I do not think a gmail address was necessary, I am frankly glad that they stopped allowing that. or maybe I did have a gmail account but also had another email I could log in with, but it absolutely never worked correctly
@morgan but yeah passkeys are absolutely ancillary to the main problems
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*I* accidentally provisioned a passkey in this process somehow and I wasn’t even the one trying to authenticate
@glyph OK, that is *impressively* bad UX.
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@glyph OK, that is *impressively* bad UX.
@xgranade I swear I am not doing it justice. I am making it sound quirky and fun and not the grinding misery that I experienced here
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@xgranade I swear I am not doing it justice. I am making it sound quirky and fun and not the grinding misery that I experienced here
@glyph@mastodon.social @xgranade@wandering.shop they say tragedy + time = comedy, but this thread also suggests that tragedy + a montage cut = comedy because
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@glyph I vaguely recall that microsoft has a company-wide mandate enforced by performance evaluations for all employees to "improve security". considering that security is a purely additive concept, it stands to reason that every new "two" factor challenge "improves security"
@aeva In all seriousness the fact that it seemed to still use push-notification MFA and emailing both links and codes even after provisioning passkeys, I do not know that I could have designed a better conditioning scenario for alert fatigue to ensure users are maximally primed to get phished as easily as possible
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@aeva In all seriousness the fact that it seemed to still use push-notification MFA and emailing both links and codes even after provisioning passkeys, I do not know that I could have designed a better conditioning scenario for alert fatigue to ensure users are maximally primed to get phished as easily as possible
@aeva like mcc and I have a bit of a nuanced ongoing quibble about the value of phishing resistance and thus of passkeys. but it’s like this system was engaging in some kind of contest to figure out how to get all the UX complexity and unpleasantness of passkey auth but with a strict requirement that it must remain trivially phishable
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@mirth bummer :-(. the migration window was open for like … 10 years, but my spouse also almost missed it, and only caught it by luck. she either didn’t get, spam-trapped, or didn’t read the relevant migration spam and she only noticed that she needed to do a manual migration because she happened to get a new machine and thus lost her old-style auth cookie a few months before it closed forever
@glyph It's pretty dishonest and probably breach of contract but in the US this tends to be how things go.
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@glyph@mastodon.social @xgranade@wandering.shop they say tragedy + time = comedy, but this thread also suggests that tragedy + a montage cut = comedy because