Tim Bradshaw discusses the myths around Lisp Machines and why they were probably never competitive.
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Tim Bradshaw discusses the myths around Lisp Machines and why they were probably never competitive.
https://www.tfeb.org/fragments/2025/11/18/the-lost-cause-of-the-lisp-machines
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Tim Bradshaw discusses the myths around Lisp Machines and why they were probably never competitive.
https://www.tfeb.org/fragments/2025/11/18/the-lost-cause-of-the-lisp-machines
I programmed some Lisp in school.
My impression is that it was based on a 1950s theory of human intelligence, making it the 'AI' language of the future - except it wasn't.
Only on a very high abstract level are our minds like recursive logic trees and even then not so much.
So whole architectures were built on a dead end idea that was fated to be inefficient and unmaintainable.
Lisp syntax has a sort of poetic elegance though.
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Tim Bradshaw discusses the myths around Lisp Machines and why they were probably never competitive.
https://www.tfeb.org/fragments/2025/11/18/the-lost-cause-of-the-lisp-machines
@amoroso I do observe some LispM romanticism from time to time on the Lisp chats, but I don't actually see people making the claims Tim is refuting. Possibly I just missed it.
I don't really disagree with anything he says though.
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I programmed some Lisp in school.
My impression is that it was based on a 1950s theory of human intelligence, making it the 'AI' language of the future - except it wasn't.
Only on a very high abstract level are our minds like recursive logic trees and even then not so much.
So whole architectures were built on a dead end idea that was fated to be inefficient and unmaintainable.
Lisp syntax has a sort of poetic elegance though.
@Phosphenes As the post I linked also notes, performance is not the only consideration as Lisp was already competitive in speed with Fortran in the late 1970s.
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@amoroso I do observe some LispM romanticism from time to time on the Lisp chats, but I don't actually see people making the claims Tim is refuting. Possibly I just missed it.
I don't really disagree with anything he says though.
@sigue These days I don't see such claims much either, but Tim is a very experienced Lisper and makes some good points.
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Tim Bradshaw discusses the myths around Lisp Machines and why they were probably never competitive.
https://www.tfeb.org/fragments/2025/11/18/the-lost-cause-of-the-lisp-machines
@amoroso symbolics keyboards had pedals
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@amoroso symbolics keyboards had pedals
@noplasticshower What did the pedals do?
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