Tldr; I love my job, hate the Netherlands, want to move somewhere warmer but where and how?
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@Gina I think I've gone through the exact same through process as you: I need more sun and nature, so Southern Europe seems like a good idea. Barcelona has 1000 hours more sun per year than Ams! Just like my home town!
... but I don't speak Spanish. Or any other languages besides English and Dutch.
Maybe you already do, in which case you'd bypass the reason I didn't try moving South: I didn't want the isolation of living somewhere I don't speak the language.
@Gina all this to say: nowhere is perfect. Upsides and downsides for every location.
So, I feel your pain!
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@Gina what about travelling by bus? With companies like Flixbus it should be possible and would help you connect to smaller cities.
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@Gina I grew up in Aus so I have the freedom of being able to move back there whenever I want, but I still haven't done it after 13 years in NL.
I cannot tell you how much I feel you on your criticisms of Dutch weather, and the lack of landscape and nature. I miss Australia terribly for this exact reason.
Doesn't help I spent a lot of time out bush through the years - I used to be an outdoors guide. It's been quite the change living here!
@Brendanjones what are you still doing here?!? 😭
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@Gina haha got it 😂
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@Gina
Maybe according to your definition (and maybe not even then). We have an apartment in Ginowan, a city of about 100k, and directly connected to Urasoe, then Naha in the south; and Chatan and Okinawa City in the north.To me this is still urban (if not the big city vibe of, say, Osaka or Tokyo). Many japanese consider Okinawa as a whole as the far-end of nowhere.
We have streetlights and sidewalks. That's at least semi-urban to me.
@jannem @Gina I LOVE Japan, the people, the food, the aesthetic, a lot of the culture.. but my experience living there was that if you planned to put down roots and integrate you would have to reckon with the gender-essentialist and extreme hierarchical nature of Japanese society. And it's a society that exerts suffocating social control. But my knowledge is 25 years out of date, so I'm curious to hear from Janne if it has changed.
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What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.
But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼♀️
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Kay, I've found a few options in the €35k to €45k range. What do we think?
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Kay, I've found a few options in the €35k to €45k range. What do we think?
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@Gina hum... 🤔
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Kay, I've found a few options in the €35k to €45k range. What do we think?
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@Gina Those look very posh but also high mileage. Looks good, but dunno about the maintenance and reliability.
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Kay, I've found a few options in the €35k to €45k range. What do we think?
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@Gina for me number 1 has a fantastic layout, but is the longest by a half meter. I'm currently converting a LWB van and parking locations in towns can be tricky to find. On a campsite the space is great. Something to think about maybe?
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Tldr; I love my job, hate the Netherlands, want to move somewhere warmer but where and how?
Basically that. It's time for a change. I love my current job, and I wish I could stay in that role for years to come, but a. It's temporary and b. Good god do I hate living in The Netherlands. To a point where something's gotta give.
I'll be slow posting in this thread today, not sure how many toots. Feel free to mute me if this thread becomes annoying. 🫶
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@Gina I’m just curious; have you thought about looking at the Caribbean? It’s a very different lifestyle, but if you’re looking for nature, warm weather, and sun, I can’t think of a better place.
I meet many European expats when I go there.
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@Gina I’m just curious; have you thought about looking at the Caribbean? It’s a very different lifestyle, but if you’re looking for nature, warm weather, and sun, I can’t think of a better place.
I meet many European expats when I go there.
@OGjester I've been to the 'Dutch' Carribbean islands, Curacao. Didn't like it.
Edit: half of the islands felt like a vacation park for trashy Dutchies, the other half poor and miserable. The beaches were so so.
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@Gina Those look very posh but also high mileage. Looks good, but dunno about the maintenance and reliability.
@lalalasombra Yeah the 145.000 km one might be too much. 100k I can live with.
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Kay, I've found a few options in the €35k to €45k range. What do we think?
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@Gina they all look good :)
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Kay, I've found a few options in the €35k to €45k range. What do we think?
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@Gina are you alone with your cats? Those three are huge.
A fellow camper recommended staying under 6m total length. If your camper is longer, you have bigger parking and transit costs.
Nevertheless: nice choices. I'd take one as well for myself. -
@Gina are you alone with your cats? Those three are huge.
A fellow camper recommended staying under 6m total length. If your camper is longer, you have bigger parking and transit costs.
Nevertheless: nice choices. I'd take one as well for myself.@anton true, but the small ones look so cramped 🥲
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What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.
But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼♀️
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@Gina The Spanish television (RTVE) is always showing very nice small towns with very small populations that look indeed very good.
No idea about the coffee or the internet connectivity but the rest looks good to me.
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Kay, I've found a few options in the €35k to €45k range. What do we think?
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@Gina at some point you will have to make up your mind whether you want to burn money on campers or on trips, or buy a house somewhere. Probably attempting all isn't really going to work.
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@Gina at some point you will have to make up your mind whether you want to burn money on campers or on trips, or buy a house somewhere. Probably attempting all isn't really going to work.
@fedops Jup, that's the dilemma.
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Kay, I've found a few options in the €35k to €45k range. What do we think?
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@Gina I assume you have the right driving license for these things.
Those are essentially converted delivery vans. Generally very reliable, but everything hinges on the engine. Look them up, get one that runs half a million km, not all do. The rest is just a box that should not leak and have the conveniences you desire (bed, galley, toilet, the showers suck anyways). It will break and you will fix it or pay twice for having it fixed.
You got the rest right, part fun adventure and part ghetto and a bonus part of "you can't stay here we're calling the cops".
And getting very excited about finding a manhole you can pry open with a hook so you can dump your toilet tank into the hole without having to carry your collected excreations around in a sloshy tank.
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@lalalasombra Yeah the 145.000 km one might be too much. 100k I can live with.
@Gina @lalalasombra 145k is nothing for a delivery van. Basically new. But it might not be the real mileage, turning back the mileage is extremely common. Most don't overdo it, maybe 50k or so. Look at the rest of the thing. Does that driver seat look like 145k or like 250k? Is the suspension knackered? The DPF clogged? Exhaust rusting away?