Tldr; I love my job, hate the Netherlands, want to move somewhere warmer but where and how?
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The US isn't an option for obvious reasons, Canada too cold, Latam too far, South Africa too murder-y, and Thailand doesn't seem convenient careerwise.
So that leaves Southern Europe.
The biggest issue is where and how. I have two cats to haul along. Do I buy a campervan and rent out my house? Where do I go?
Also, I love my work atm, can I keep doing that for as long as possible while figuring this out? And will I find a new role in the same field again?
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@Gina Depends on your "preferred" requirements and willingness to sacrifice I guess... Portugal has some expat program for digital nomads iirc, Spain is (maybe) cheaper, Italy has houses for 1€...
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The US isn't an option for obvious reasons, Canada too cold, Latam too far, South Africa too murder-y, and Thailand doesn't seem convenient careerwise.
So that leaves Southern Europe.
The biggest issue is where and how. I have two cats to haul along. Do I buy a campervan and rent out my house? Where do I go?
Also, I love my work atm, can I keep doing that for as long as possible while figuring this out? And will I find a new role in the same field again?
7/n
@Gina I suggest Croatia, where I’m currently based, though I haven’t lived here long enough to give a comprehensive feedback. Keep in mind that Istria is close to both Italy and Slovenia. There are plenty of beach options, mountains (if needed), and heritage sites. Food-wise, I mostly cook my own food, but you can also find high-quality restaurants. I’d recommend going on a trip to Pula or Rijeka to see in person if it is the right place for you.
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@martijn @Gina This! There's plenty of pretty in .nl, but you won't find most of it in Amsterdam or even the Randstad. I moved north (from the Hague) some 25 years ago, lived in Drenthe, currently Fryslân, work in Groningen. You couldn't pay me to move back south.
And if you get bored here, you can easily make day trips to the wadden, or Germany maybe.
The "always gray and boring" doesn't match my experience, I do hope you can find some krenten in the pap somewhere. 😉
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Portugal and especially Lisbon might be something for your longlist. The country has emerged well from a huge hit by the financial crisis (2007/ 2008). Lisbon seems to have an entrepreneurial drive. That includes tech companies.
On the country @Dodo_sipping might be able to contribute some insights. She moved from Germany to the North of Portugal. She can tell herself.
@Gina I am a boomer and don't work anymore. But there are lots of foreigners here meanwhile. Wages are lower and rents have incredibly increased, but you can still find available houses when you go away from the shore. Lisboa and Porto are overcrowded and expensive meanwhile. Also Algarve. If you can work remote, that would be great. But rather consider north than south for living. If you have questions I will try to help. @strght
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The US isn't an option for obvious reasons, Canada too cold, Latam too far, South Africa too murder-y, and Thailand doesn't seem convenient careerwise.
So that leaves Southern Europe.
The biggest issue is where and how. I have two cats to haul along. Do I buy a campervan and rent out my house? Where do I go?
Also, I love my work atm, can I keep doing that for as long as possible while figuring this out? And will I find a new role in the same field again?
7/n
@Gina what about Spain or Italy?
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That's not even mentioning the pension age that they raised to 72, the houses that on average cost over €500.000 (for a rijtjeshuis btw), the insane cost of being single instead of a couple, and the right wing conservative parties consistently dominating for the last 20 years leading to a hollowing out of every collective utility from healthcare to energy to housing. The Netherlands is a boomers paradise.
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@Gina I can relate to all of this 😔 sadly my only options now due to Brexit and age are to win the lottery or marry someone, which is difficult when you're single 😂
If I hadn't been preoccupied with caring for eldlerly relatives I'd have grabbed Portugese residency before the dumb-ass Brexit calamity took effect.
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The US isn't an option for obvious reasons, Canada too cold, Latam too far, South Africa too murder-y, and Thailand doesn't seem convenient careerwise.
So that leaves Southern Europe.
The biggest issue is where and how. I have two cats to haul along. Do I buy a campervan and rent out my house? Where do I go?
Also, I love my work atm, can I keep doing that for as long as possible while figuring this out? And will I find a new role in the same field again?
7/n
@Gina Vancouver and Victoria Canada actually aren’t cold, and it’s amazing here — fantastic cities surrounded by nature — mountains, rainforest, and the sea. It’s a diverse, tolerant place with one of the most educated workforces in the world and many career opportunities.
Canada is a beautiful, ambitious, and kind country, with intelligent and thoughtful leadership, and we are building an exciting, positive future.
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The US isn't an option for obvious reasons, Canada too cold, Latam too far, South Africa too murder-y, and Thailand doesn't seem convenient careerwise.
So that leaves Southern Europe.
The biggest issue is where and how. I have two cats to haul along. Do I buy a campervan and rent out my house? Where do I go?
Also, I love my work atm, can I keep doing that for as long as possible while figuring this out? And will I find a new role in the same field again?
7/n
At this point I'm pretty convinced I need to buy a campervan and just travel around 😅 I've only seen a fraction of the continent.
I can't think of any scenario that doesn't come with a cost. Every scenario means digging into my savings.
8/n
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@Gina I suggest Croatia, where I’m currently based, though I haven’t lived here long enough to give a comprehensive feedback. Keep in mind that Istria is close to both Italy and Slovenia. There are plenty of beach options, mountains (if needed), and heritage sites. Food-wise, I mostly cook my own food, but you can also find high-quality restaurants. I’d recommend going on a trip to Pula or Rijeka to see in person if it is the right place for you.
@angelomassaro isn't Croatia really expensive nowadays?
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@Gina Vancouver and Victoria Canada actually aren’t cold, and it’s amazing here — fantastic cities surrounded by nature — mountains, rainforest, and the sea. It’s a diverse, tolerant place with one of the most educated workforces in the world and many career opportunities.
Canada is a beautiful, ambitious, and kind country, with intelligent and thoughtful leadership, and we are building an exciting, positive future.
We are always happy to have more good, smart, compassionate people here in Canada to help us realize our vision, and to share in our bright future. I recommend including it in your consideration set. Feel free to ask me if you have any questions about living or working here. 🙂
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We are always happy to have more good, smart, compassionate people here in Canada to help us realize our vision, and to share in our bright future. I recommend including it in your consideration set. Feel free to ask me if you have any questions about living or working here. 🙂
@michelamarie I'd like to buy a house with a garden, do you see that happening anywhere in Canada for under a million dollars?
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The US isn't an option for obvious reasons, Canada too cold, Latam too far, South Africa too murder-y, and Thailand doesn't seem convenient careerwise.
So that leaves Southern Europe.
The biggest issue is where and how. I have two cats to haul along. Do I buy a campervan and rent out my house? Where do I go?
Also, I love my work atm, can I keep doing that for as long as possible while figuring this out? And will I find a new role in the same field again?
7/n
@Gina Consider looking into Central Europe. The climate is better and a city like Budapest is old-world beautiful and modern art the same time.
If you had not been frustrated with the weather, I would have said Edinburgh, but not going to be a popular option with your preferences. -
@michelamarie I'd like to buy a house with a garden, do you see that happening anywhere in Canada for under a million dollars?
@Gina Good question. It is possible, if you live farther away from Vancouver. Victoria is more affordable, so you could buy a house closer to the city there than you could do in Vancouver.
If you are happy to live in a townhouse, you could live closer to the cities still.
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@Gina what about Spain or Italy?
@caffetino Depending on where. I don't see myself living in a Spanish or Italian city. They have a habit of stacking houses tightly on top of each other, very little greenery, and I need space. I want a garden. Think a farmhouse.
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@Gina I can relate to all of this 😔 sadly my only options now due to Brexit and age are to win the lottery or marry someone, which is difficult when you're single 😂
If I hadn't been preoccupied with caring for eldlerly relatives I'd have grabbed Portugese residency before the dumb-ass Brexit calamity took effect.
@not_a_label oof yeah I can't even imagine if you're in the UK. You guys are basically stuck :(
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At this point I'm pretty convinced I need to buy a campervan and just travel around 😅 I've only seen a fraction of the continent.
I can't think of any scenario that doesn't come with a cost. Every scenario means digging into my savings.
8/n
@Gina I feel you. Buying a camper van and touring Europe sounds like a good move forward.
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@Gina I suppose people already told you but you can check the Canary Islands and Madeira. They’re not hot, they’re temperate the whole year.
Greece is also a wonderful place with really nice people.
And I don’t know directly the south of Portugal, the Algarve, but people say it’s great and cheaper than Andalusia in southern Spain.
@itorres I've been to both. Madeira was a bit too small for me. Canary Islands was alright but didnt feel like home.
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The US isn't an option for obvious reasons, Canada too cold, Latam too far, South Africa too murder-y, and Thailand doesn't seem convenient careerwise.
So that leaves Southern Europe.
The biggest issue is where and how. I have two cats to haul along. Do I buy a campervan and rent out my house? Where do I go?
Also, I love my work atm, can I keep doing that for as long as possible while figuring this out? And will I find a new role in the same field again?
7/n
@Gina re: Canada being too cold.
The *temperature* here in Canada is psychopathicly cold but it often feels warmer than a damp place like NL. It’s often dry, sunny, and lower temp, but feels warmer.
I went from -20c to +3/4 in Amsterdam on one trip and it felt so much colder in NL.
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At this point I'm pretty convinced I need to buy a campervan and just travel around 😅 I've only seen a fraction of the continent.
I can't think of any scenario that doesn't come with a cost. Every scenario means digging into my savings.
8/n
@Gina Toulouse is a great city to live in. Not far from the mountains, the Atlantic ocean and the Mediterranean sea 😎
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@not_a_label oof yeah I can't even imagine if you're in the UK. You guys are basically stuck :(
@Gina yep 😢
The best option I can come up with currently is to buy a cheap lock up and leave place, spend the summers out sailing and get a campervan/4x4 to tour southern Europe for my allotted 90 Schengen days during the utterly miserable UK winter… 🤷🏻
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