Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
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@Lilysea it's sad how we have to keep fighting the same battles again and again and again isn't it
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@vfrmedia @emily_s @afewbugs If you compare to a client for the Exchange Server, you should compare with a client for Nextcloud. There is no UI for the underlaying Exchange Server. Therefore you should compare to a client like Thunderbird. There is no problem with recurring taskes generated in Thunderbird. They are syncronized with Nextcloud and other clients. Even the Tasks app for Android is capable generating recurring tasks. It is "just" Nextcloud's web UI which does not support it.
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@worik You wont believe how useful automated reminders are and how often my partner encourages me to make more of them. She also uses them a lot. But yeah, it actually is useful to have for example a tri or bi-weekly recurring timed reminder to change the bedsheets etc. To be able to set them from the web interface is just neat because that's the closest to platform agnostic you can get with nearly no effort. @ljrk @afewbugs
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@suearcher @kitten_tech @afewbugs As a lawyer I can tell you that the IT "designers" used by the courts, CPS, solicitors and counsel, have no idea how any of us work, what information we need and in what form.
I used to be handed all the papers at court for the cases I was dealing (up to 15+) could scan them, hand them to clients to read, and go back and take instructions. Easy. Now we get it on line at court (eventually). I can't pass my laptop over can I..FFS.@suearcher @afewbugs @PeterMLittle hah yes. I work in IT and just a few days ago was reflecting with somebody on how often user workflows are ignored (in the context of systems where you log in to see some protected data having poor support for showing others that data; I was congratulating them on having a good mechanism for making a share link!)
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@worik You wont believe how useful automated reminders are and how often my partner encourages me to make more of them. She also uses them a lot. But yeah, it actually is useful to have for example a tri or bi-weekly recurring timed reminder to change the bedsheets etc. To be able to set them from the web interface is just neat because that's the closest to platform agnostic you can get with nearly no effort. @ljrk @afewbugs
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As a cleaner, married to a caretaker, I can assert that architects have never had to clean or maintain a building....
@afewbugs @suearcher my favourite repeat offender is having unsealed chipboard or MDF edges butted against a tiled floor, which is tiled because you expect (a) people to spill liquids on it and (b) it to he mopped regularly... Those edges soak up gross liquids and the wood expands and rots... In my home I've run a fat bead of silicone caulk around the edges of the kitchen and bathroom floors! Also turns the acute 90° grime trap into two 45°s so easier to clean!
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Gawd, the shit I got when I waded into a "discussion" on Instagram about how "men are so helpless and useless and they need to be given a LIST of chores before they will help" and I chimed in: "Actually I have ADHD and if my ex had given me a specific, detailed list instead of just telling me to 'look around and see what needs done' and then getting MAD that I didn't do what HE WANTED DONE maybe I wouldn't have this huge emotional trauma" and it turned into: "YOU'RE JUST ENABLING LAZY MEN AND GIVING THEM EXCUSES, ADHD ISN'T A GOOD EXCUSE, EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO CLEAN"… …um, no, not everyone does. And it's really fucking sexist to assume that WOMEN ESPECIALLY are "born with" this knowledge and skill set and little "habit tracker" already programmed in.
@harriehq I think most of us benefit from lists, at least until they figure out the routine. If routines are hard to form, then lists are necessary. The whole stereotypes and roles thing is cultural and true, but it's also not something written in stone that can't be changed. I do not know what I want to say with this. Maybe that if you have learned something at a young age or out of necessity or it's part of your "love-language" it's "easy" even if you don't particulary like or enjoy @afewbugs
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@harriehq I think most of us benefit from lists, at least until they figure out the routine. If routines are hard to form, then lists are necessary. The whole stereotypes and roles thing is cultural and true, but it's also not something written in stone that can't be changed. I do not know what I want to say with this. Maybe that if you have learned something at a young age or out of necessity or it's part of your "love-language" it's "easy" even if you don't particulary like or enjoy @afewbugs
@harriehq it. For me it means cooking, emptying the dishwasher, hoovering, washing the sinks and toilets etc. That's me showing I can make my loved ones' day at least half decent. I don't need appraisal for that, because it's necessary to balance the daily load somehow. A reminder for some of the less routinely occurring stuff would make life easier though.
I struggle with organizing objects that do not yet have a clear destination or space to put them into, so I do other things. @afewbugs -
@afewbugs i think to a certain extent it's just *easier* to make a task manager that only handles one-off tasks. a lot easier.
which is to say, there may (only may) be no misogeny here, just a complete lack of ability to actually *define* the problem before they try to solve it…
@fishidwardrobe Why are there examples of taskmanagers with recurring tasks then? Why is it so hard to accept a solution to a feature request that is seemingly popular but gets ignored usually with "we value stability more" nothingburger arguments? https://github.com/nextcloud/tasks/pull/2318 @afewbugs
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@fishidwardrobe Why are there examples of taskmanagers with recurring tasks then? Why is it so hard to accept a solution to a feature request that is seemingly popular but gets ignored usually with "we value stability more" nothingburger arguments? https://github.com/nextcloud/tasks/pull/2318 @afewbugs
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Guess which one usually gets handed to which gender. Men tend to get the one off high profile, highly regarded tasks (build the shed or the kitchen or the database), women tend to get the recurring tasks (clean the house, make sure the invoices are paid on time) that don't get the respect the one off tasks get but without which the big one off projects couldn't happen.
@afewbugs Absolutely. And often, the unlauded/unbudgeted maintenance is critically important: when it doesn’t get properly considered in design, or carried out well, the [impressive ego] project fails! Thinking here about some high-profile buildings designed by “star” architects which develop costly leaks. Also about the huge amounts of public infrastructure, e.g. bridges, which have been poorly maintained such that they now need actual replacement at tremendous public inconvenience and expense.
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@harriehq I think most of us benefit from lists, at least until they figure out the routine. If routines are hard to form, then lists are necessary. The whole stereotypes and roles thing is cultural and true, but it's also not something written in stone that can't be changed. I do not know what I want to say with this. Maybe that if you have learned something at a young age or out of necessity or it's part of your "love-language" it's "easy" even if you don't particulary like or enjoy @afewbugs
I think
1) Lots of women think "everyone knows how to clean" because they don't realize how THEY'VE been conditioned since childhood to be the ones who clean up while the boys get to goof off, and the grown men lounge around watching football after Thanksgiving dinner…
2) For those of us girls who "slipped through the cracks" and didn't get turned into miniature maids by our mothers, learning as an adult can be difficult. Especially throwing neurodivergence into the mix. The people screaming at me were saying "IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLEAN, LEARN! YOU'RE AN ADULT! MAKE SOME EFFORT! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY! WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYONE'S HAND!!" But — like, if you started a new job, you wouldn't just get turned loose on day one with no guidance. And with AuDHD, I need help finding a "starting point." I need examples of what "needs to be done" (or what's expected of me) so I can use it as a guide and reference in the future. Especially with my ex expecting me to just read his mind… Sorry, that's not something I can "teach myself." Dude can't get mad at me for not meeting his standards when he refused to communicate what those standards were. Except he absolutely did get furious. -
If you build a task manager without the facility to do recurring tasks that tells me a) you're not the one doing the recurring maintenance tasks and b) you either don't recognise the importance of maintenance tasks or you haven't even noticed that they're being done around you to allow you to do the big one off production of a European open source task manager, say.
Come on, it's 2026. Do better men. And it is mostly men.
@afewbugs whew, this was straight🔥! ✊🏿✊✊🏾✊🏻✊🏽✊🏼💥
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I think
1) Lots of women think "everyone knows how to clean" because they don't realize how THEY'VE been conditioned since childhood to be the ones who clean up while the boys get to goof off, and the grown men lounge around watching football after Thanksgiving dinner…
2) For those of us girls who "slipped through the cracks" and didn't get turned into miniature maids by our mothers, learning as an adult can be difficult. Especially throwing neurodivergence into the mix. The people screaming at me were saying "IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLEAN, LEARN! YOU'RE AN ADULT! MAKE SOME EFFORT! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY! WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYONE'S HAND!!" But — like, if you started a new job, you wouldn't just get turned loose on day one with no guidance. And with AuDHD, I need help finding a "starting point." I need examples of what "needs to be done" (or what's expected of me) so I can use it as a guide and reference in the future. Especially with my ex expecting me to just read his mind… Sorry, that's not something I can "teach myself." Dude can't get mad at me for not meeting his standards when he refused to communicate what those standards were. Except he absolutely did get furious. -
If you build a task manager without the facility to do recurring tasks that tells me a) you're not the one doing the recurring maintenance tasks and b) you either don't recognise the importance of maintenance tasks or you haven't even noticed that they're being done around you to allow you to do the big one off production of a European open source task manager, say.
Come on, it's 2026. Do better men. And it is mostly men.
@afewbugs This.
But also, what do they think people use a task manager _for_? Recurring tasks that don't happen often enough to be part of the daily routine are exactly the ones that people like me want a program to manage.
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@afewbugs @suearcher my favourite repeat offender is having unsealed chipboard or MDF edges butted against a tiled floor, which is tiled because you expect (a) people to spill liquids on it and (b) it to he mopped regularly... Those edges soak up gross liquids and the wood expands and rots... In my home I've run a fat bead of silicone caulk around the edges of the kitchen and bathroom floors! Also turns the acute 90° grime trap into two 45°s so easier to clean!
One of my favourites is the church hall stairs, which have a chrome rail and glass panel bannister. But they turn 180 degrees halfway up, so a large part of two of the glass panels overlap with a narrow gap, making them difficult to reach to clean.
And outside, where the ramp that goes from the church yard gate to the hall door cuts across two of the window niches, providing a lovely spot for autumn leaves to gather, with only a very narrow gap to get a broom in.
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@afewbugs There's one thing that I can somewhat, only a bit, accept as an excuse for talking about NextCloud in particular: It operates on CalDAV Standards and the Tasks part of that ... sucks badly. Like, terrible. I've not been happy with any of CalDAV synced Tasks because not only is support shoddy, but for exactly the reason you give.
However, NextCloud could – as any one of the stakeholders – try to push for something different or find ways to enable this use case better.
Case in point: What do people use for such tasks? Alarms are... hard to manage. Calendar entries are overwhelming. I try paper but I forget too often.
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@antoinechambertloir@mathstodon.xyz The distinction you're drawing is a useful one, and I largely agree with it. When translation is imposed on you with no alternative, the responsibility for its faithfulness lies with whoever imposed it.
But it makes me ask: which category does my situation fall into?
I'm writing this reply in English. Not because I chose English as my preferred language of expression, but because if I wrote it in Korean, it would either be ignored or filtered through whatever tool my interlocutor happens to have on hand—and any resulting misreading would be treated as my problem. So I write in English, carefully, to preempt that. Is that a voluntary choice? Formally, yes. Practically, it sits much closer to the “imposed” end of your spectrum than it might appear.
The contract model works cleanly when both parties have genuinely equivalent alternatives. When one party's only real options are “use this tool” or “don’t participate,” the contract framing starts to obscure more than it reveals.
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Saved recording of Brandon's live feed last night up in Illinois. Starting when large hail and tornado first showed up (about 6:20:00), his window would get smashed shortly after.
https://www.youtube.com/live/NYsANnAhr6k?t=23239
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Ipocrisia liberal-progressista: quando le bombe tornano “democratiche”
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@arichtman TIL that's what they're called
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@jfkimmes this does explain something: it seems to be able to invoke tools when it is planning, but then those tools do not get invoked in the final step.
so it uses tools to read files when planning, then fails to use tools when executing.
what a fascinating conundrum.
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@jfkimmes yes, you can have it use a different model for planning.
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@ariadne In any case: as long as the final response is generated by your trained model it will never make a valid tool call since there are probably about zero training examples of the necessary JSON structure required by the tool handling in your furry smut (this is an estimate that could be quite the way off knowing the furry community but still)
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@ariadne Oh, is that a OpenClaw specific feature where you can specify that reasoning traces are generated by a separate model than the actual response? I'm not really familiar with OpenClaw's internals.
