For all the Proton fans

[ohir@social.vivaldi.net]

@skinnylatte There is no anonymity on the nets. Even for very versed in nuances of surveilance hackers. 25 years ago we could use mixmasters and other aonymization techniques. And all privacy seeking users could have been deanonymized by a simple cepstral analysis of text produced. Some cypherpunks who knew tried to counter this using with their wanna-be-anon persona unusual capitalization, peculiar typos, and were sprinkling their posts with mannerisms and other distractive goodies perl allowed. It was not much helpful, ok, it usually could give a day or two of leg, because sample posts needed to be manually marked for topical analysis, but it was not possible to hide from determined adversary. No LLMs, just a few tools built for linguists.

Today so many netfarers want 'absolute anonymity' yet demand from us techies that it all must support stickers and must run on Android/iOS device that is costantly beaming not only their whreabouts, but also their food, flowers, body parts. And this fancy new furniture.

[dadbod@pdx.social]

@Pyrogenesis @r3dr3clus3 @skinnylatte Maybe don’t use a traceable credit card if you’re that worried about privacy.

[frank@social.fraxoweb.com]

@skinnylatte I live in Canada and I use https://typewire.com . It is quite new and has a few glitches though.

[c@misskey.gothloli.club]

@skinnylatte@hachyderm.io gpg密钥在服务提供商手里本身就是一个笑话

[joblakely@mastodon.social]

@freediverx @boojum @skinnylatte I’d want my money back. There should be a class action because everyone has been actually paying for nothing.

[ve2uwy@mastodon.radio]

@skry @r3dr3clus3 @skinnylatte

If it was a (Swiss equivalent) legal warrant then that's fine.

But I don't see what the "Cop shot" and "explosive devices" have anything to do with this. Either the warrant (or equivalent) is valid or it isn't - the cop thing shouldn't have any direct bearing on what Proton does or doesn't do.

Bottom line, though was that it was a valid warrant and they had no choice.

[mikal@sfba.social]

@Pyrogenesis

If you pay by credit card they, by definition, have the data and can be compelled to give it up. Just like any company will be. The headline is sensational FUD.

I don't use Proton, but the misinformation flying around about this now will lead people to very simplistic "Proton bad! No use Proton!" instead of "I want to be anonymous, so I need to rethink my opsec in ways that avoid obviously traceable things like credit cards."

This is the problem. People need to learn the difference between security, privacy, anonymity and secrecy and where those things overlap and how to balance them against living as a hermit in a cave somewhere. Simplistic "Proton(etc.) bad! No use Proton(etc.)" hijack what needs to be a calm, fact-based discussion.

[anon@tuiter.rocks]

@skinnylatte

Desde cuando Proton tiene que proteger delincuentes? 💬

[froge@social.glitched.systems]

@skinnylatte@hachyderm.io I've been telling people for literal years that Proton is just a big tech provider, they have deactivated accounts and removed users simply for doing things they don't like, most recently they deactivated the account of some Phrack security researchers for annoying Proton by using the email for security disclosures

Also people should read their transparency logs, they regularly give out user data before valid court orders are even approved lol

[jigmedatse@social.openpsychology.net]

@skinnylatte@hachyderm.io shaking my head... Well... I'm not actually surprised, but well... OK...

[tail_call@mas.to]

@skinnylatte

someone earlier in the thread said "please don't spread the fud", and i say please do