huh, the cloud really did eat everything
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huh, the cloud really did eat everything
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huh, the cloud really did eat everything
"adiabatic assist" is a term for a type of cooling equipment that evaporates water to improve efficiency
"water-cooled chiller" being a type of cooling equipment that evaporates water to reject heat -
"adiabatic assist" is a term for a type of cooling equipment that evaporates water to improve efficiency
"water-cooled chiller" being a type of cooling equipment that evaporates water to reject heatafter reading the report to the best of my ability i can say that i don't plan to take anybody saying that the water use is obviously a problem at their word
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after reading the report to the best of my ability i can say that i don't plan to take anybody saying that the water use is obviously a problem at their word
@whitequark Would be interested in your key take-aways here -- not sure I can make it through the whole report...
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@whitequark Would be interested in your key take-aways here -- not sure I can make it through the whole report...
@chandlerc basically:
- to the extent AI datacenters come to exist, they are not clearly worse than existing cloud datacenters
- to the extent AI power use happens, it is not clearly worse to cool it with evaporation than with other methods and in fact it seems that it may be significantly better in places where you are not water-constrained
- even the most optimistic projections of AI expansion involve water use figures that are quite small compared to general industrial or ag water use -
@chandlerc basically:
- to the extent AI datacenters come to exist, they are not clearly worse than existing cloud datacenters
- to the extent AI power use happens, it is not clearly worse to cool it with evaporation than with other methods and in fact it seems that it may be significantly better in places where you are not water-constrained
- even the most optimistic projections of AI expansion involve water use figures that are quite small compared to general industrial or ag water use@chandlerc I think it is unquestionable and immediately obvious that power use is already bad and will get worse if only by asking any grid operator whether they are ready for this
the same does not appear to be the case for water use, and I think it strains credibility to keep using it with no further clarification as a catchy anti-AI slogan
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@chandlerc I think it is unquestionable and immediately obvious that power use is already bad and will get worse if only by asking any grid operator whether they are ready for this
the same does not appear to be the case for water use, and I think it strains credibility to keep using it with no further clarification as a catchy anti-AI slogan
@whitequark thanks, that matches my take aways from reading other sources, and nice to that from another reader+source perspective. The power / grid side is definitely where it has seemed like the real problems lie here...
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@whitequark thanks, that matches my take aways from reading other sources, and nice to that from another reader+source perspective. The power / grid side is definitely where it has seemed like the real problems lie here...
@chandlerc @whitequark the only thing with water is that it's availability is wildly variable. So it's possible to see large datacenters having negative impacts in certain locales if people were stupid enough to build them in places without abundant water. Which, well, it's a dice roll.
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@chandlerc @whitequark the only thing with water is that it's availability is wildly variable. So it's possible to see large datacenters having negative impacts in certain locales if people were stupid enough to build them in places without abundant water. Which, well, it's a dice roll.
@dotstdy @whitequark Low-availability of water in locations seems at least reasonably likely to be priced in effectively, and one of the only things that seems likely to be a _consistent_ pressure on DC construction is operational economics.
Definitely will be some cases of super short-sighted sweetheart deals w/ local government combined with unethical DC operators, but even that seems _much_ more likely to occur in harmful ways due to electricity than water...
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@dotstdy @whitequark Low-availability of water in locations seems at least reasonably likely to be priced in effectively, and one of the only things that seems likely to be a _consistent_ pressure on DC construction is operational economics.
Definitely will be some cases of super short-sighted sweetheart deals w/ local government combined with unethical DC operators, but even that seems _much_ more likely to occur in harmful ways due to electricity than water...
@chandlerc @whitequark well if you're doing a datacenter you can always roll in your own electrical supply. You know the "I'll just run portable gas generators permanently" musk bondoogle. Pricing is never effective for things as scarse as water though, as I think the history of ag irrigation shows, especially in such a bubble you can just pay any amount for the water and price everyone else out. But we'll see, I certainly agree it's not a universal concern.
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Io scendo di livello con Ascanio Celestini o simili. Peccato non essere abbastanza per quella comicità!
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@fediversereport@mastodon.social I'd say a protocol handler would be one small step in making this better handled.
The friction with a global "share to the fediverse" button is the instance chooser. Not knowing what your home instance is is a major sticking point.
A protocol handler could allow you to skip this step, assuming you have an app that has registered against it.
Otherwise, yes, the same fallback would need to continue to exist (enter your home server! blah blah)
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I am convinced we are on the verge of the first "AI agent worm". This looks like the closest hint of it, though it isn't it quite itself: an attack on a PR agent that got it to set up to install openclaw with full access on 4k machines https://grith.ai/blog/clinejection-when-your-ai-tool-installs-another
But, the agents installed weren't given instructions to *do* anything yet.
Soon they will be. And when they are, the havoc will be massive. Unlike traditional worms, where you're looking for the typically byte-for-byte identical worm embedded in the system, an agent worm can do different, nondeterministic things on every install, and carry out a global action.
I suspect we're months away from seeing the first agent worm, *if* that. There may already be some happening right now in FOSS projects, undetected.
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Nessuno ha dimostrato che l'Iran stesse costruendo la bomba atomica
Nel mezzo di una crisi che ha già visto attacchi militari israeliani e statunitensi contro le installazioni nucleari iraniane, una voce autorevole ha parlato con chiarezza: Rafael Grossi, Direttore Generale dell'Agenzia Internazionale per l'Energia Atomica (AIEA). Egli ha ribadito in più occasioni che l'agenzia non ha trovato prove che l'Iran stesse costruendo una bomba nucleare.
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@gh0sti Good question...
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