#kde is doing this real cool thing where if I hover the mouse over scribus or krita, the cursor shrinks.
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oh my god it's fucking wayland of course it's wayland OH MY GOD YOU PEOPLE SAID KDE WAS THE GOOD WAYLAND YOU FUCKING LIARS
https://blogs.kde.org/2024/10/09/cursor-size-problems-in-wayland-explained/
@aeva we regret to inform you that it is always Wayland
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@aeva we regret to inform you that it is always Wayland
@tess yes, and that is what i expected, but i really don't appreciate people lying to me to get me to join Their Team
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if i had enough money that i didn't have to work a real job i absolutely am in the vulnerable state of mind that would think doing a hard break away from both x11 and wayland is somehow a good idea, but since i have a mortgage and a painful connective tissue disorder i am somewhat forced to value my own time, so i think i'm going to just paint tonight instead
@aeva arcan-fe exists, if you really want to go fancy
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i really should keep a list or something of all the irritating foibles of software i use regularly, because i'm not exactly sure where KDE currently sits relative to gnome in "problems solved" vs "problems created" ratio
@aeva To be fair I had the opposite problem in Gnome where cursors grew over some windows. Turned out there were two cursor settings (normal and legacy or something) and I had different cursors packs set for the two.
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@aeva I should have said “the other apps I use regularly” which is an admittedly rather short list I guess.
Anyway. Fucking Wayland. I hate it so much. Why has this happened to us? What couldn’t be fixed in X11?
Just yesterday I was ssh’d into a machine and realized that I can no longer run a GUI with X forwarding like was the norm since 1996.
I wish everyone today could experience what was just bog standard on Sun and Sgi workstations.
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if i had enough money that i didn't have to work a real job i absolutely am in the vulnerable state of mind that would think doing a hard break away from both x11 and wayland is somehow a good idea, but since i have a mortgage and a painful connective tissue disorder i am somewhat forced to value my own time, so i think i'm going to just paint tonight instead
@aeva i think this sometimes too, but then you end up with three incompatible apis to target as an application developer :(
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everyone who told me to switch to KDE because wayland is good actually you just have to use the good wayland which is KDE and not gnome? i feel betrayed, and also i now have significant doubts about your attention to detail and general observational skills
@aeva edit: oh i read through the issues and posts and now i see... it's just that their fixes only works if you use the default themes and default cursor sizes (and a relatively recent gnome, and a relatively recent kde). otherwise it's back to the wild west. xd hurray
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@aeva I should have said “the other apps I use regularly” which is an admittedly rather short list I guess.
Anyway. Fucking Wayland. I hate it so much. Why has this happened to us? What couldn’t be fixed in X11?
Just yesterday I was ssh’d into a machine and realized that I can no longer run a GUI with X forwarding like was the norm since 1996.
I wish everyone today could experience what was just bog standard on Sun and Sgi workstations.
@photex wayland is such a painful step backward ;_;
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@aeva edit: oh i read through the issues and posts and now i see... it's just that their fixes only works if you use the default themes and default cursor sizes (and a relatively recent gnome, and a relatively recent kde). otherwise it's back to the wild west. xd hurray
@dotstdy what's really great is their fix doesn't even work. switching back to the default cursor still has the problem
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@aeva i think this sometimes too, but then you end up with three incompatible apis to target as an application developer :(
@dotstdy it is one part solution and two parts vindictive nonsense
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everyone who told me to switch to KDE because wayland is good actually you just have to use the good wayland which is KDE and not gnome? i feel betrayed, and also i now have significant doubts about your attention to detail and general observational skills
@aeva my experience every time I try to switch to Linux on the desktop is that a whole bunch of things don’t work quite right or have annoying quirks but everyone waves them away as “not important” because they only ever use a terminal and maybe a web browser. I’d love it to be good for my use because Windows sucks but it’s just worse in lots of little ways that annoy me more than MS’s periodic BS that I can mostly ignore (still grumble about but it’s not in my face all day)
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if i had enough money that i didn't have to work a real job i absolutely am in the vulnerable state of mind that would think doing a hard break away from both x11 and wayland is somehow a good idea, but since i have a mortgage and a painful connective tissue disorder i am somewhat forced to value my own time, so i think i'm going to just paint tonight instead
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@aeva my experience every time I try to switch to Linux on the desktop is that a whole bunch of things don’t work quite right or have annoying quirks but everyone waves them away as “not important” because they only ever use a terminal and maybe a web browser. I’d love it to be good for my use because Windows sucks but it’s just worse in lots of little ways that annoy me more than MS’s periodic BS that I can mostly ignore (still grumble about but it’s not in my face all day)
@sinbad @aeva I used linux for webdev for years, which meant Jetbrains + local production environment; it was preferable to the chaos of the whole team using a shared staging / CI environment for everything at the time - we lost a lot of time from people running over each other on the shared hardware... Also meant that devs got exposure to the full production environment's set up. Creative software was not a thing though, but then it was a company that wouldn't hire designers.
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@sinbad @aeva I used linux for webdev for years, which meant Jetbrains + local production environment; it was preferable to the chaos of the whole team using a shared staging / CI environment for everything at the time - we lost a lot of time from people running over each other on the shared hardware... Also meant that devs got exposure to the full production environment's set up. Creative software was not a thing though, but then it was a company that wouldn't hire designers.
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@aeva I'm all for the vindictive side winning out. Honestly I'd kill for an API designed by somebody who's written/maintained a cross platform application before. Bonus points if they've done so for a platform which gives a shit about API design.
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@toerror @aeva TBH it was lovely when I ran a Mac for a while in the early 2010s, having an environment that was basically just like our servers (close enough) with a UI and windowing API that someone who knew what they were doing had designed. But then Apple disappeared fully up their own rear ends again and ruined it
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@toerror @aeva TBH it was lovely when I ran a Mac for a while in the early 2010s, having an environment that was basically just like our servers (close enough) with a UI and windowing API that someone who knew what they were doing had designed. But then Apple disappeared fully up their own rear ends again and ruined it