@Edent what's so bad about <div> ... or: Why do you want to avoid them?

[martijn@scholar.social]

@Edent I'm taking the level of snark as permission to counter with the Troy stories of Cassandra and the wooden horse 😋

[edent@mastodon.social]

@silvermoon82 it is very different from what I was expecting. Festival worthy!

[phil_tanner@mastodon.philtanner.com]

@Edent oh the waterfront is an exceptional place on a day like today!

[kay@mastodon.nz]

@Edent I'm in Wellington aka Te Whanganui A Tara in indigenous language, Te Reo Māori. I enjoy meetups with folk with overlapping interests. When will you be visiting?

FWIW I used to help with hackathons using open data sets and lots of other tech events.

I also met my partner at a science fiction convention years ago and we're both keen readers.

Wellington used to be livelier in tech sector before Covid and subsequently a change of government in 2023. Here's a flavour from @miramarmike
https://blog.mikeriversdale.co.nz/2025/12/which-wellytech-xmas-were-you-at.html

Cheers, Kay 🍻

[va2lam@mastodon.nz]

@Kay @Edent me too --- also in Wellington/Te Whanganui-a-Tara/Pōneke for the next few weeks.

[edent@mastodon.social]

@nwp we were then a few years ago but, alas, not this visit. Lovely part of the world.

[hdv@front-end.social]

@Edent I'm not one for needless bureacuracy or introduction of policies… but loved to see the vegan policy you photographed

[benjamineskola@hachyderm.io]

@Edent I don’t really think that’s the issue.

Criticism of AI is not only about asking for the right to opt out of the feature (or for the feature to be opt in); people think these features shouldn’t exist in the first place. There are plenty of problems with AI that don’t go away just because I don’t personally have to use them.

Among other things, for me personally it would make me doubt the developer’s judgment and priorities.

I realise not everybody agrees with me on that point and I don’t expect them to, but I think it’s worth understanding what the actual criticisms are and not simply assuming that people are misunderstanding/assuming the worst/inventing problems.

[phil_tanner@mastodon.philtanner.com]

@Edent @nifta @va2lam @Kay @summerbeth was a pleasure to meet you all. And a great venue. I'll definitely return 🙂

[kay@mastodon.nz]

@Edent @nifta @Phil_Tanner @va2lam @summerbeth Lovely to meet with you all and hear about people's travels and interests. 🤗

I mentioned my phone - a Unihertz Titan from a small Shanghai start up and its great accessibility features. 📲
https://www.unihertz.com/collections/titan-series

I also mentioned UK writer Jen Campbell to Terry and Liz. Here's one of her poems from a short but powerful book "Please Do Not Touch This Exhibit".

The poem Alopecia is probably inspired by Jen's own experiences of medical side effects.
https://www.jen-campbell.co.uk/sample-poems.html

[nifta@icosahedron.website]

@Edent @Phil_Tanner @va2lam @Kay @summerbeth Lovely to meet you all too :)

[essjax@essjax.com]

@Phil_Tanner @Edent @nifta @va2lam @Kay @summerbeth wait these are real people in the real world?? 🤯

[va2lam@mastodon.nz]

@Phil_Tanner @Edent @nifta @Kay @summerbeth hey wait I've definitely met @essjax !

[essjax@essjax.com]

@va2lam @Phil_Tanner @Edent @nifta @Kay @summerbeth hehe that was in Oz so it doesn't count 😅

[kay@mastodon.nz]

@essjax @Phil_Tanner @Edent @nifta @va2lam @summerbeth Real people in a bar anyway, if that counts as "real world"!

[essjax@essjax.com]

@Kay @Phil_Tanner @Edent @nifta @va2lam @summerbeth the realest of the real!

[va2lam@mastodon.nz]

@Kay @Edent @nifta @Phil_Tanner @summerbeth yes, my spouse was using BlackBerrys for the longest time, through the KeyTwo I believe, but gave up. Maybe one day she'll use the Titan or its successor.

[alexhudson@c.im]

@Edent @Phil_Tanner
Nothing is going to convince me that’s a real Phil Tanner and not some ai generated figment of Google’s imagination

[kuba@toot.kuba-orlik.name]

@Edent SMS

[oneinterestingfact@mastodon.ie]

@Edent

None of these: I have Signal but never used. Ditched Whatsapp the day Zuck bought it, used Telegram a few times.
Basically sms/iMessage.

What's threema?