@Edent what's so bad about <div> ... or: Why do you want to avoid them?

[pikesley@mastodon.me.uk]

@jezhiggins @Edent

Seems like the sort of thing you could just knock up in a weekend

https://youtu.be/KEsrAmM07fs?si=_aThb0ZFVb0UC5sZ

/s

[jezhiggins@mastodon.me.uk]

@pikesley Yes, but also no. I suspect my neighbour down the hill could run one of these - I mean he's literally lives on the old mill. I could get 2 or 3m head, but I'd need to run pipes, and probably take out some trees to do it 😕

[mattround@crispsandwi.ch]

@Edent Hope I've done it justice & you enjoy the rest!

[bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr]

@Edent I don't know about "open source" (whatever that means) but for free software, the issue is not so important since power is distributed (that's one of the freedoms that come with free software). Any team/person can take the lead.

[edent@mastodon.social]

@bortzmeyer that is demonstrably untrue.

Your free software can shatter into a thousand forks - but we all know that just leads to confusion.

If only one person controls the website / signing keys / trademark / whatever, then the project is brittle. And far too many F/OSS projects have a single point of failure.

[emily_s@mastodon.me.uk]

@Edent this is remarkable to the point I struggle to think of another example of doing it well that is half as big.

[fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk]

@emily_s @Edent Python?

[bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr]

@Edent Controlling the brand is some power but let's not exaggerate it. MariaDB had no problem replacing MySQL, even if the brand was strong.

Also, claiming that free software is controlled by an organisation and that you cannot do anything without this organisation. Is dangerous. Why moving away from proprietary software, in that case?

[edent@mastodon.social]

@bortzmeyer

These resources suggest otherwise.

https://6sense.com/tech/relational-databases/mysql-vs-mariadb
https://db-engines.com/en/ranking

Humans organise. Like ants, it is our super-power. I'm arguing that *better* organisations are beneficial.

I've yet to see anarchy flourish in reality.

[bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr]

@Edent I did not mention anarchy but freedom. MariasDB is organised, too. Just not the same organisation (the previous one being bought by Oracle)

[noneeeed@hachyderm.io]

@Edent Well that's just so good to see, that's made my day. After witnessing WordPress and the whole thing with Ruby and Rails right now, watching people behave like grownups is a breath of fresh air.

[vinishor@bsd.network]

@Edent @bortzmeyer And we have an example : Gitea and Forgejo. Forgejo was created because of issues inside of Gitea governance and these software are free software

[bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr]

@vinishor @Edent Yes, the great thing about free software is that it always has an "escape card". So, organisation governance issues are less an issue than with proprietary software. You are not married for life.

[vinishor@bsd.network]

@bortzmeyer @Edent I agree, but I also think that we could do better in the first place to avoid these issues. Creating a fork can be a good thing, but improving organization methods are better for me

[emily_s@mastodon.me.uk]

@fishidwardrobe @Edent oh yeah, boring to the point I'd forgotten it happened

[aburka@hachyderm.io]

@Edent the new guy's thread says a lot of the right things, but I can't say I'm reassured to see someone with "a business and finance background" taking the reins 😬

[edent@mastodon.social]

@aburka you're right. Terrible idea to have a firm financial footing and an understanding of now to effective use money.

[aburka@hachyderm.io]

@Edent you'll forgive my skepticism given that MBAs are sometimes more interested in financial engineering and growth at any cost than technical excellence. Look at what's happened to Firefox with McKinsey drones in charge. I don't think that's happening here yet but we'll see.

[drgroftehauge@sigmoid.social]

@bortzmeyer @Edent MariaDB was made by original developers of MySQL (Maria is literally My's little sister) so that shows, in my mind, that is hard to hand off projects.

[zudnick@mas.to]

@Edent Looks like they're just piggy-backing off popular posts in order to encourage people to click a link to their social network.

Block (and report?)