Hot take: looking for a single silver-bullet Discord replacement is solving the wrong problem.

[ryusei@techhub.social]

@xgranade

I don't mind this approach and most nerds don't, but as you said, the issue is selling this to the people who use Discord. It's free, easy, and is the home of so many large communities that would break some of the solutions we propose. The idea of having 3 different apps for calling, chatting, and long form communication is just not appealing to most people, even if I really like it. I'm pretty sure my friends would sooner text or call me before ever using a Mumble or XMPP server lol. I find Discord overwhelming and exhausting, so I hope we're really able to solve this.

[tojikomori@urusai.social]

@xgranade hmm. this makes me think federation beyond oath / user profiles is an anti-feature for these use cases 😬 (these use cases: closed-door and smallish open-door interest-specific communities having mostly unthreaded, chat-like conversations)

the best experiences i've had on Discord were on servers with firm moderation. reading your post, i realized moderation of a federated chat room can only be as good as the weakest popular instance. defederate that instance and you end up with malformed chat; keep them, and you have to accept their weak moderation.

i'd rather be in a room where moderators try to apply themselves more consistently, and if i don't like their room then i'd rather find a different room on a different server than end up in a space that overlaps with their mess.

[xgranade@wandering.shop]

@tojikomori I've long said that moderation on Discord is best-in-class. I do think good moderation with federation is entirely possible, but it's much more challenging than moderating something centralized.

In the case of Matrix, part of the problem is that a room administrator has comparatively few tools for blocking bad homeservers as compared to selective defederation on the fediverse.

[tojikomori@urusai.social]

@xgranade i'd like to believe it's possible, but given the unthreaded nature of chat-like interactions i don't see how. defederation on the fediverse mostly works ok because our conversations here are so heavily threaded. even then, instance owners are cautious about defederating popular instances like mastodon.social. but imagine removing all the mastodon.social-equivalent posts from an unthreaded chat stream.

[bryanredeagle@beige.party]

@tiotasram @Canageek @xgranade It also has some pretty good administration docs.