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On reflection, I think the worst part of Cory Doctorow’s argument in favor of LLM use is this:

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  • mathew@universeodon.comundefined mathew@universeodon.com

    Let me give an example of how I’m not perfect.

    I believe that environmental plastics are a big problem and we should try to cut out plastic packaging. Do I buy products packaged in plastic? Absolutely yes! There are some kinds of product I don’t think it’s possible to find in non-plastic packaging. An example from last week: CR2032 batteries. They’re sold in hard-to-open plastic packages for safety reasons. (They’re also apparently coated in something bitter to discourage kids from swallowing them, which immediately made me want to taste one out of curiosity, but I was able to resist that urge.)

    On the other hand, if I’m buying olive oil and there are two bottles on the shelf, and one is plastic and the other is glass, I’ll buy the oil in the glass bottle, even if it’s a bit more expensive, because glass is both recyclable and less harmful in the environment. The canola oil in the kitchen, on the other hand, is in a plastic bottle; I’ve never seen any sold in glass.

    So yeah, we can’t be perfect, and I absolutely don’t expect you to be, but let’s all try to be a bit better eh?

    phantasus@fedi.atundefined

    @mathew When I simply judge what Coy Doctorow is quoted here, then you are criticizing a straw man.

    I don't see the moral bankruptcy here. I see simply pledging people to not overdo it.

    How many times have I seen and experienced that moral people are creating a toxic environment where everyone needs to be perfect in whatever the target is. Any deviation is harshly punished.

    Which is a well-known disease of any activist groups and regularly tears up initiatives.

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  • mathew@universeodon.comundefined mathew@universeodon.com

    Let me give an example of how I’m not perfect.

    I believe that environmental plastics are a big problem and we should try to cut out plastic packaging. Do I buy products packaged in plastic? Absolutely yes! There are some kinds of product I don’t think it’s possible to find in non-plastic packaging. An example from last week: CR2032 batteries. They’re sold in hard-to-open plastic packages for safety reasons. (They’re also apparently coated in something bitter to discourage kids from swallowing them, which immediately made me want to taste one out of curiosity, but I was able to resist that urge.)

    On the other hand, if I’m buying olive oil and there are two bottles on the shelf, and one is plastic and the other is glass, I’ll buy the oil in the glass bottle, even if it’s a bit more expensive, because glass is both recyclable and less harmful in the environment. The canola oil in the kitchen, on the other hand, is in a plastic bottle; I’ve never seen any sold in glass.

    So yeah, we can’t be perfect, and I absolutely don’t expect you to be, but let’s all try to be a bit better eh?

    _@aviac.devundefined

    @mathew I agree with you, Cory is just looking at it from a skewed perspective. My personal take is:

    As long as you, the individual, have the INNER motivation to strive for "perfection" with regards to anything, nobody has the right to stop you. Give the best you are able to offer.

    On the other hand, if you're forced to be perfect by others or by society in general, so it's an OUTER motivation, then ... Yeah it might be the right thing to do objectively, but maybe it's not fitting in your reality which might be really constrained (as explained with your example) ... So don't stress yourself out too much about it. Sometimes its not possible to live a contradiction free live.

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  • mathew@universeodon.comundefined mathew@universeodon.com

    Let me give an example of how I’m not perfect.

    I believe that environmental plastics are a big problem and we should try to cut out plastic packaging. Do I buy products packaged in plastic? Absolutely yes! There are some kinds of product I don’t think it’s possible to find in non-plastic packaging. An example from last week: CR2032 batteries. They’re sold in hard-to-open plastic packages for safety reasons. (They’re also apparently coated in something bitter to discourage kids from swallowing them, which immediately made me want to taste one out of curiosity, but I was able to resist that urge.)

    On the other hand, if I’m buying olive oil and there are two bottles on the shelf, and one is plastic and the other is glass, I’ll buy the oil in the glass bottle, even if it’s a bit more expensive, because glass is both recyclable and less harmful in the environment. The canola oil in the kitchen, on the other hand, is in a plastic bottle; I’ve never seen any sold in glass.

    So yeah, we can’t be perfect, and I absolutely don’t expect you to be, but let’s all try to be a bit better eh?

    rakoo@blah.rako.spaceundefined
    @mathew Cory Doctorow right now
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