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More #Bluesky #drama for you'nSomeone was suspended'nDeath threats?

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    More #Bluesky #drama for you

    Someone was suspended

    Death threats? Plain criticism? I didn't investigate

    But:

    The suspension affects #Blacksky as well

    All this talk about the *promise* of #decentralization

    But that is not the reality

    Cultists buy the promise and ignore the reality

    Come to #Mastodon / #Fediverse

    Oh we have drama too

    Some instances suspend out of capricious bullshit, a Spanish Inquisition

    But you still have reach:

    We are truly #decentralized

    https://bsky.app/profile/gregpak.net/post/3m2htgspjkc26

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      More #Bluesky #drama for you

      Someone was suspended

      Death threats? Plain criticism? I didn't investigate

      But:

      The suspension affects #Blacksky as well

      All this talk about the *promise* of #decentralization

      But that is not the reality

      Cultists buy the promise and ignore the reality

      Come to #Mastodon / #Fediverse

      Oh we have drama too

      Some instances suspend out of capricious bullshit, a Spanish Inquisition

      But you still have reach:

      We are truly #decentralized

      https://bsky.app/profile/gregpak.net/post/3m2htgspjkc26

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        @_elena

        "surprised there hasn't been more talk on here about the implications of the false promises of AT Proto's #decentralization"

        there's feverish true believers who think #bitcoin is the future of money

        never going to happen: massive energy use

        that doesn't stop the true believer

        it's a cult

        same with "#bluesky is #decentralized"

        and my example of bitcoin is purposeful:

        bluesky is run by #cryptoBros, and funded by #crypto bros

        they imported the crypto con job to #socialMedia

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          @_elena @benroyce i don't get it.
          Blacksky afaik have, or it's close to have, all pieces of the atproto stack.

          Then, of course, reach is compromised if 99% of people use just bluesky pieces, but that's also true for someone that's is banned by the top instances here.

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            @_elena @benroyce i don't get it.
            Blacksky afaik have, or it's close to have, all pieces of the atproto stack.

            Then, of course, reach is compromised if 99% of people use just bluesky pieces, but that's also true for someone that's is banned by the top instances here.

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              @_elena @benroyce i don't get it.
              Blacksky afaik have, or it's close to have, all pieces of the atproto stack.

              Then, of course, reach is compromised if 99% of people use just bluesky pieces, but that's also true for someone that's is banned by the top instances here.

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              @luca @_elena

              how is 99% bluesky "also true" for 25% mastodon.social's share?

              it's not "also true"

              99 does equal 25

              in fact, large parts of the fediverse suspend mastodon.social

              please read and understand:

              https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/

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                @_elena @benroyce

                I could be wrong, but I think I heard Rudy Fraser saying that they also have a running app-view

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                  @_elena @benroyce

                  I could be wrong, but I think I heard Rudy Fraser saying that they also have a running app-view

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                  @luca @_elena

                  just scroll up

                  look at the top post

                  it shows someone is suspended on bluesky and as a consequence they don't show up on blacksky

                  it's like someone suspends you on mastodon.social, then also you're not visible anymore on sironi.tk

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                    @luca @_elena

                    just scroll up

                    look at the top post

                    it shows someone is suspended on bluesky and as a consequence they don't show up on blacksky

                    it's like someone suspends you on mastodon.social, then also you're not visible anymore on sironi.tk

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialundefined benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @luca @_elena

                      how is 99% bluesky "also true" for 25% mastodon.social's share?

                      it's not "also true"

                      99 does equal 25

                      in fact, large parts of the fediverse suspend mastodon.social

                      please read and understand:

                      https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/

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                      @benroyce @_elena

                      I don't particularly like AT proto, aside the bridge, i'm not there, I find it extremely difficult to understand it, for no relevant reason to me.
                      On the contrary, ActivityPub can be understood in 5 minutes from anyone willing to.

                      What I mean is that, once someone prove to be able to fully self-host AT, it's up to people to do so.
                      It became open to decentralization.

                      Your account is on the flagship mastodon instance, that 25% is also concerning, ok, less concerning but still concerning.

                      I guess also mastodon.social had 100% of share at the beginning

                      Last year they got 100%, I don't think they have still 99%, but let's see in one year from now.

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                        @_elena @benroyce i don't get it.
                        Blacksky afaik have, or it's close to have, all pieces of the atproto stack.

                        Then, of course, reach is compromised if 99% of people use just bluesky pieces, but that's also true for someone that's is banned by the top instances here.

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                        @luca@sironi.tk @_elena@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social They have bluesky's mod service added to their appview. They can remove this at any time, and substitute it with their own.,

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                          @_elena@mastodon.social @luca@sironi.tk @benroyce@mastodon.social Blacksky has their own relay: https://atproto.africa

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                            @_elena@mastodon.social @luca@sironi.tk @benroyce@mastodon.social Blacksky has their own relay: https://atproto.africa

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                            @irelephant @luca @_elena

                            scroll up

                            someone was suspended on bluesky and now aren't visible on blacksky

                            why do people comment without being aware of the facts

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                              @luca@sironi.tk @_elena@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social They have bluesky's mod service added to their appview. They can remove this at any time, and substitute it with their own.,

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                              @irelephant @luca @_elena

                              and i can make a ham sandwich

                              i didn't make one, but i could make one

                              so pretend along with me that i already have a ham sandwich even though i didn't make one

                              fuck reality, let's live in make believe

                              🤪

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                                @irelephant @luca @_elena

                                and i can make a ham sandwich

                                i didn't make one, but i could make one

                                so pretend along with me that i already have a ham sandwich even though i didn't make one

                                fuck reality, let's live in make believe

                                🤪

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                                  @_elena @irelephant @luca ✅️

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                                    @irelephant @luca @_elena

                                    scroll up

                                    someone was suspended on bluesky and now aren't visible on blacksky

                                    why do people comment without being aware of the facts

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                                    @benroyce @irelephant @_elena

                                    Ben, @irelephant (thank you for the name of the relay) is reporting public facts.

                                    Given public facts, the reported story does not make sense, we're missing something, I won't be surprised if advanced #bluesky users, do config mistake, with all those lego pieces.

                                    Fediverse is much easier, your instance, your moderation.
                                    A small instance, you know the moderators.
                                    A big instance, not your moderation

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                                      @benroyce @irelephant @_elena

                                      Ben, @irelephant (thank you for the name of the relay) is reporting public facts.

                                      Given public facts, the reported story does not make sense, we're missing something, I won't be surprised if advanced #bluesky users, do config mistake, with all those lego pieces.

                                      Fediverse is much easier, your instance, your moderation.
                                      A small instance, you know the moderators.
                                      A big instance, not your moderation

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                                      @luca @irelephant @_elena

                                      so you talk of "facts," then you allude to actual facts above that you reject, then you topic change and wave your hands about "you can't moderate yourself on a large instance" as if that means anything

                                      thank you for your "facts"

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                                        @luca @irelephant @_elena

                                        so you talk of "facts," then you allude to actual facts above that you reject, then you topic change and wave your hands about "you can't moderate yourself on a large instance" as if that means anything

                                        thank you for your "facts"

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                                        @benroyce @irelephant @_elena

                                        Ben
                                        - an existing relay, used by thousands of people is a fact.
                                        - it's also a fact that without having native accounts there, and a deep understanding
                                        of a difficult protocol, and based on screenshots and our desires to be right, it's difficult to understand what probably went wrong for that user.
                                        Maybe he misconfigured some blacksky software, or he found a bug, I have NOT denied the story, I just said, before going around with torches and pitchforks, that is *strange*.

                                        anyway, please, unfollow me.

                                        You are way too aggressive on this topic (read ! scroll up ! understand !)
                                        I mostly post stuff in italian, not necessarily related to holy wars, and you don't seem to be interested in understanding my points and my opinions anyway

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                                          @benroyce @irelephant @_elena

                                          Ben, @irelephant (thank you for the name of the relay) is reporting public facts.

                                          Given public facts, the reported story does not make sense, we're missing something, I won't be surprised if advanced #bluesky users, do config mistake, with all those lego pieces.

                                          Fediverse is much easier, your instance, your moderation.
                                          A small instance, you know the moderators.
                                          A big instance, not your moderation

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                                          @luca @benroyce @irelephant @_elena Even if it's a config issue caused by the system being hideously complex we would still seem to end up at the conclusion that you need to be a million or billion dollar company with a team of full-time engineers to actually try to build a full alternative implementation of this "decentralized" system. Its governance can at best be an oligarchy. By design.

                                          If they wanted it to actually be decentralized they'd be finding ways to help people fix these issues.

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