Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs the translation model should replace all the words on the page with this badge
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social I believe it'd be better if Firefox stopped referring to unwanted slop like chatbots with meaningless marketing terms such as 'AI' instead
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I don't care. Local translation in FF is on the level of free early 2000s web translators. So maybe just remove it and add it again, when it's production ready
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs if I better understood what "downloaded-on-demand ML models" means in practice, I'd feel more qualified to participate. 😉 No external service involved in any way, right? How resource hungry was/is training that model?
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
It's "no" for me, until local LLM is an open and shared model.
Other 3rd parties and commercial apis should be opted out by default and option for permanently hide sloppy chat must never disappear. Until commercial LLM support will be removed. Please. -
@firefoxwebdevs if I better understood what "downloaded-on-demand ML models" means in practice, I'd feel more qualified to participate. 😉 No external service involved in any way, right? How resource hungry was/is training that model?
@xela no external service is used. I'm not sure on the resources used for training, but it's useful to know that would factor into your decision. The project is here https://github.com/mozilla/translations
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs show any actual evidence that the kill switch is being implemented, then we can talk
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs see no reason disable it by default. But i am not kind of person «AI kill switch» made for
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs also, I just gotta ask: was the prompt for this quiz “hey ChatGPT come up with an ai use case that’ll stump the haters! do not hallucinate do not use emojis” or did this ooze out of your human brain after the LLM psychosis fried it?
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs Because the term "AI" has been so heavily overloaded to include ML, LLMs, Uncle Tom Cobly and all, including the translations in the "AI" kill switch would be signalling to users that their consent is being taken seriously - especially the way that unwanted "AI" is being included so conspicuously in so many tech products at the moment. Ask for consent, don't end up begging for forgiveness on what you see as a technicality.
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@firefoxwebdevs also, I just gotta ask: was the prompt for this quiz “hey ChatGPT come up with an ai use case that’ll stump the haters! do not hallucinate do not use emojis” or did this ooze out of your human brain after the LLM psychosis fried it?
@zzt I posted this poll after a meeting where we discussed the design of the kill switch, and there was uncertainty around translations. I want to make sure the community's voice is represented in these discussions.
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@firefoxwebdevs Because the term "AI" has been so heavily overloaded to include ML, LLMs, Uncle Tom Cobly and all, including the translations in the "AI" kill switch would be signalling to users that their consent is being taken seriously - especially the way that unwanted "AI" is being included so conspicuously in so many tech products at the moment. Ask for consent, don't end up begging for forgiveness on what you see as a technicality.
@decadecity I like this framing of it. Thank you!
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs I'm still on the last good version of FF, 77.0.1, so idk.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs besides having on device translation, would it be suitable to also provide on device tool calling models? They get small - see functiongemma.
Could be nice additon for web devs.
But web devs might want to choose fine tuned versions though. -
@firefoxwebdevs if I better understood what "downloaded-on-demand ML models" means in practice, I'd feel more qualified to participate. 😉 No external service involved in any way, right? How resource hungry was/is training that model?
@xela @firefoxwebdevs Translations involve either 1 or 2 models depending on the language pairs. Each language requires a model going into, and out of English. Training a language involves on the order of hundreds of GPU hours, and the largest models probably get into the thousands range. Early models were in the thousands range probably before we optimized things.
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@firefoxwebdevs besides having on device translation, would it be suitable to also provide on device tool calling models? They get small - see functiongemma.
Could be nice additon for web devs.
But web devs might want to choose fine tuned versions though.@firefoxwebdevs why?
If users use interfaces rarely, they might not remember all kind of interfaces. A text/voice input could be translated into commands. -
@xela @firefoxwebdevs Translations involve either 1 or 2 models depending on the language pairs. Each language requires a model going into, and out of English. Training a language involves on the order of hundreds of GPU hours, and the largest models probably get into the thousands range. Early models were in the thousands range probably before we optimized things.
@xela @firefoxwebdevs For on-device, the power usage is on the end-user, and the text in the viewport range is translated. It's heavy CPU work that is quickly finished. So you get short bursts of heavy CPU usage while actively interacting with a translated page. All the page content is private and stays on your machine.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs nice try, but AI functions by breaking consent, & removing ML translations when shutting off AI won't get people to accept AI. Nobody who respects consent wants it, nor will ever want it.
Why don't you skip ahead & have your "AI kill switch" simply uninstall Firefox while you're at it.
We all know that's the inevitable conclusion.
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs
Thank you for asking
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