why is e-mail software so universally terrible

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

why is e-mail software so universally terrible

[danlyke@researchbuzz.masto.host]

@ariadne I blame HTML email.

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

as usual, i have just set up thunderbird because it is the only e-mail software that works

[dysfun@social.treehouse.systems]

@ariadne just in time for moz to turn it into a modern AI client.

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@dysfun thanks, i hate it

[dysfun@social.treehouse.systems]

@ariadne it's fine, they're going to add a kill switch.

what's the bet it looks like this? https://social.treehouse.systems/@dysfun/115746064081228352

i'm thinking a very round number indeed.

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@dysfun @ariadne Isn't Thunderbird's governance separate from Mozilla?

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@mcc @dysfun @ariadne isn't this a matter of Mozilla org vs company?

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@dysfun @ariadne I'm so glad I stuck with claws mail

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@oblomov @dysfun @ariadne not even exactly because there's the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation and then there's MZLA Technologies which is a third thing

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@oblomov @dysfun i used to swear by claws mail but it started getting very crashy on me

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@mcc @dysfun @ariadne I guess it would have been too simple to explain otherwise, ugh

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@ariadne @dysfun ouch, I'm sorry for you (and glad it still works in my installation)

[uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.za]

@oblomov @mcc @dysfun @ariadne whatever the governance is, I like how it works. I also like how Thunderbird is basically the same as it was twenty years ago. It is exactly as boring and reliable as an email app should be. I am here for the email, not the app, so the app should help me get my email and not make everything about itself. The folks behind Thunderbird feel like the only software makers left who actually get that.

[lasagne@chaos.social]

@uastronomer
@oblomov @mcc @dysfun @ariadne

Recently they did "Accounts Hub" that broke initial account config for everyone not on Goolagmails

[uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.za]

@lasagne @oblomov @mcc @dysfun @ariadne Hmm. Can't say I noticed any breakage (gmail, M365 and self-hosted courier-imap). Also can't find it on my install, just the same old Accounts Settings tab. I'm on the latest ESR though, maybe it hasn't come to me yet?

[lasagne@chaos.social]

@uastronomer
@oblomov @mcc @dysfun @ariadne

It is already in ESR. The breakage was in ESR as well.
When they rolled it out, they tested in prod and took forever to deal with it.
They dealt with it by telling people to turn the thing off in about config.
After weeks they added a toggle in settings and told people to use that.
But they might have fixed it in the meantime.