Like @cstross , I’ve only been realizing very late that extremely rich people are necessarily crazy.
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@cstross @nathanael : but the worse is that they are becoming increasingly "stupid and crazy". To the point any great vilain in a novel would appear sane.
They believe in their own marketing shit: living like riches on Mars, without poors and with AI servants (that will somewhat program and maintain themselves).
That explains why their greatest fear is currently "robots rising and rebeling".
Yeah, they are that deep in their crazyness…
@cstross @nathanael : and if you ever doubt their stupidity, remember that they discuss all of that using a f***ing gmail account !
(but the worse is that it is not that stupid because all it takes for them to benefit is convincing 50,1% of the voters to vote for their candidate)
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@nathanael @ploum You misunderstand. It's not about economics, it's about primate pack dominance and hierarchy. The motivations of the hyper-rich are very much *not* rational, otherwise they'd have stopped collecting money long ao.
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@cstross @nathanael : but the worse is that they are becoming increasingly "stupid and crazy". To the point any great vilain in a novel would appear sane.
They believe in their own marketing shit: living like riches on Mars, without poors and with AI servants (that will somewhat program and maintain themselves).
That explains why their greatest fear is currently "robots rising and rebeling".
Yeah, they are that deep in their crazyness…
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@nathanael @cstross : that’s not logical, that’s exactly why they are insane.
They see themselves as an elite who deserve more from life. Money is not the point.
By the way, how Epstein became rich is also very interesting: he basically scammed a very rich guy by making him believe he was a fortune manager (but failing to tell him he had no customers). At the time, he also wanted to stay low profile.
But, once very rich, he lost it completely and wanted fame/glory.
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@nathanael @ploum Unless you personally know any billionaires, you don't know any rich people.
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@cstross @nathanael @ploum Also, I think they genuinely believe poor people are lesser beings. They know the world is heading towards a big crunch. They want to be standing in the ashes. The poor demand resources. The poor could rise up and present a threat — there are so many more of them. I wish I could believe the email meant "how do we tackle poverty," but that's not what they said.
People who want to alleviate poverty don't talk about putting explosive collars on a private security team.
@ravenbait @cstross @nathanael @ploum I grew up poor in the USA. Poverty there is framed as a moral condition by the entire society in the USA. You are lesser because you are poor and, in some cases, not considered human. I speak in general terms so exceptions, etc. Many give to charity to feel morally superior to the poor. It's brutal and pervasive so getting to "how do we get rid of poor people" is not surprising in the least.
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@nathanael @cstross @ploum every token a poor person has is necessarily a token that a stupid(ly) rich person could have but does not. This is not just inefficient, it is disgusting.
At least in the eyes of the very rich.
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@nathanael @ploum @cstross Those are merely rich people, and not ultra-rich people. In the eyes of the ultra-rich, those you see as rich are actually poor.
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@nathanael @cstross : there’s a difference between "rich" and "billionnaire-rich".
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@ravenbait @cstross @nathanael @ploum I grew up poor in the USA. Poverty there is framed as a moral condition by the entire society in the USA. You are lesser because you are poor and, in some cases, not considered human. I speak in general terms so exceptions, etc. Many give to charity to feel morally superior to the poor. It's brutal and pervasive so getting to "how do we get rid of poor people" is not surprising in the least.
@26aafa19 @ravenbait @nathanael @ploum To some extent that's an inevitable side-effect of a social hierarchy constructed on a foundation of chattel slavery. Slaves are property, they can't own anything, so to be poor is to be closer to that state of immiseration.
Slavery: the original sin of the colonizers of the Americas. (That, with a side-order of genocide-by-plague, but slavery left the biggest mark on the present day.)
And as Pratchet said: evil is treating people as things.
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You're naive. Poverty is relative: the very wealthy WANT the vast majority to be poor because it justifies their assumption of personal superiority. If they only wanted "poor" to mean "have one euro less in their wallet", that'd be tolerable: but it seems to be necessary for their egos to see starvation, misery, and death on all sides.
Without disagreeing with your central point about the mega rich being crazy (clearly they are), there could be 2 constructions of the "get rid of the poor" phrase.
The phrase "I want to eliminate the homeless" could mean death camps or a massive house building program depending on who is saying it.
We see what we want to see - moustache twirling villain or visionary humanitarian.
All crazy bastards tho.
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@nathanael @ploum @cstross Those are merely rich people, and not ultra-rich people. In the eyes of the ultra-rich, those you see as rich are actually poor.
@HollieK72 @nathanael @cstross : as said "You know the difference between a million euros and a billion euros ? It’s approximately a billion euro".
Elon Musk coult enter the Wembley stadium fulll of homeless broken persons, make them all multimillionnaires (probably more than you will earn in your whole life) and not even feel any difference in its financial life.
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@cstross @nathanael @ploum Also, I think they genuinely believe poor people are lesser beings. They know the world is heading towards a big crunch. They want to be standing in the ashes. The poor demand resources. The poor could rise up and present a threat — there are so many more of them. I wish I could believe the email meant "how do we tackle poverty," but that's not what they said.
People who want to alleviate poverty don't talk about putting explosive collars on a private security team.
@ravenbait @cstross @nathanael @ploum In this context, the huge resource-demanding data centres make sense: they use all the resources for questionable outputs, and people have nothing left for themselves.
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Like @cstross , I’ve only been realizing very late that extremely rich people are necessarily crazy.
https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/02/more-in-sadness-than-in-anger.html
It’s logical: non-crazy people will, at some point, hit the "more money than enough even for my craziest fullfilling dreams".
People who are still destroying their social/ecological environment for more money above that level are, obviously, crazy. And dangerous.
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@cstross @nathanael @ploum Also, I think they genuinely believe poor people are lesser beings. They know the world is heading towards a big crunch. They want to be standing in the ashes. The poor demand resources. The poor could rise up and present a threat — there are so many more of them. I wish I could believe the email meant "how do we tackle poverty," but that's not what they said.
People who want to alleviate poverty don't talk about putting explosive collars on a private security team.
@ravenbait @cstross @nathanael @ploum "They know the world is heading towards a big crunch."
It's worse than that. They actively want to create that big crunch. The reality is that there's enough to go around. But they willfully want to disbelieve that.
The truth is, they want to kill people, and they willfully bend their beliefs to excuse that.
As for putting explosive collars on their security team - it's part of a bizarre obsession with figuring out how to prevent them from simply
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@26aafa19 @ravenbait @nathanael @ploum To some extent that's an inevitable side-effect of a social hierarchy constructed on a foundation of chattel slavery. Slaves are property, they can't own anything, so to be poor is to be closer to that state of immiseration.
Slavery: the original sin of the colonizers of the Americas. (That, with a side-order of genocide-by-plague, but slavery left the biggest mark on the present day.)
And as Pratchet said: evil is treating people as things.
@cstross @26aafa19 @ravenbait @nathanael : you are right. This is also something very different from Europe, which never had slaves but is still rooted in aristocracy.
And, with all its problems, aristocracy has one advantages over slavery: aristocrats had responsibility. they were educated to be responsible. It didn’t always work but this was the norm. Honor and reputation were more important than "raw power" or "money"
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@26aafa19 @ravenbait @nathanael @ploum To some extent that's an inevitable side-effect of a social hierarchy constructed on a foundation of chattel slavery. Slaves are property, they can't own anything, so to be poor is to be closer to that state of immiseration.
Slavery: the original sin of the colonizers of the Americas. (That, with a side-order of genocide-by-plague, but slavery left the biggest mark on the present day.)
And as Pratchet said: evil is treating people as things.
@cstross @26aafa19 @ravenbait @nathanael @ploum there's a real right-wing push to encourage tipping culture here in Spain. The dynamics are gross.
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@ravenbait @cstross @nathanael @ploum "They know the world is heading towards a big crunch."
It's worse than that. They actively want to create that big crunch. The reality is that there's enough to go around. But they willfully want to disbelieve that.
The truth is, they want to kill people, and they willfully bend their beliefs to excuse that.
As for putting explosive collars on their security team - it's part of a bizarre obsession with figuring out how to prevent them from simply
@ravenbait @cstross @nathanael @ploum killing them and taking their bunkers for themselves when the apocalypse they so desperately want to cause happens.
A consultant suggested to them that they could be friends with their security personnel. That suggestion did not go well with the audience.
They're too psychopathic to even understand the idea of friendship, much less be friends with people who they will depend on for their lives.
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@ravenbait @cstross @nathanael @ploum I grew up poor in the USA. Poverty there is framed as a moral condition by the entire society in the USA. You are lesser because you are poor and, in some cases, not considered human. I speak in general terms so exceptions, etc. Many give to charity to feel morally superior to the poor. It's brutal and pervasive so getting to "how do we get rid of poor people" is not surprising in the least.
@26aafa19 @ravenbait @cstross @nathanael @ploum South Carolina politician discussing giving children lunches at school makes your point
https://www.politico.com/story/2010/01/sc-lt-gov-poor-like-stray-animals-031959
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