Well, I just returned from a VERY interesting #Indivisible #SantaFe (ISF) meeting.
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I won’t belabor all the happenings at the second meeting. Suffice it to say that when we said we had thoughts about a route that should, based on their information provided at the first meeting, reduce costs, the police said that actually the cost for the original route was not a minimum of $11,000, it was minimum of $25,000. Moreover, police said, that would be minimum cost for ANY street closures. 8/
At this point, I explained that these fees were, IMO, an unconstitutional burden on ISF’s freedom of expression. If the police would not take a more reasonable approach, ISF would revert to announcing a recommended route for a sidewalk march, something which does not require a permit. This, by the way, was what the city special event official kept mentioning as an alternative to closing the streets. 9/
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I won’t belabor all the happenings at the second meeting. Suffice it to say that when we said we had thoughts about a route that should, based on their information provided at the first meeting, reduce costs, the police said that actually the cost for the original route was not a minimum of $11,000, it was minimum of $25,000. Moreover, police said, that would be minimum cost for ANY street closures. 8/
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At this point, I explained that these fees were, IMO, an unconstitutional burden on ISF’s freedom of expression. If the police would not take a more reasonable approach, ISF would revert to announcing a recommended route for a sidewalk march, something which does not require a permit. This, by the way, was what the city special event official kept mentioning as an alternative to closing the streets. 9/
This seemed to be something the police were not expecting me to say.
I said ISF would be retracting its request for a permit for street closures.
At this point, the city event planner said that ISF could not do this. I said that of course ISF could. No permit had been granted, ISF had not paid any permitting fees, and I would write a formal letter of retraction. 10/
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This seemed to be something the police were not expecting me to say.
I said ISF would be retracting its request for a permit for street closures.
At this point, the city event planner said that ISF could not do this. I said that of course ISF could. No permit had been granted, ISF had not paid any permitting fees, and I would write a formal letter of retraction. 10/
On Friday, after the meeting, I sent a letter, copying attendees, the Mayor, and the entire City Council. I explained we would announce a sidewalk march, highlighting the city ordinances applicable to it. The city event planner replied promptly, noting all the relevant regulations.
Between Friday midafternoon and the ISF general meeting tonight, nobody else from the city, nor the Mayor, nor any city councilor got in touch with anybody from ISF or in any way acknowledged the email exchange. 11/
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On Friday, after the meeting, I sent a letter, copying attendees, the Mayor, and the entire City Council. I explained we would announce a sidewalk march, highlighting the city ordinances applicable to it. The city event planner replied promptly, noting all the relevant regulations.
Between Friday midafternoon and the ISF general meeting tonight, nobody else from the city, nor the Mayor, nor any city councilor got in touch with anybody from ISF or in any way acknowledged the email exchange. 11/
Over the weekend the ISF NK3 steering committee met and finalized the sidewalk march plan and overall fundraising goals for all NK3 event on March 28, so that all plans and fundraising needs could be announced t the general meeting tonight. The committee also decided to explain at the general meeting the city’s and PD’s proposed charges for street closures, and our decision to pivot to a different approach. 12/
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Over the weekend the ISF NK3 steering committee met and finalized the sidewalk march plan and overall fundraising goals for all NK3 event on March 28, so that all plans and fundraising needs could be announced t the general meeting tonight. The committee also decided to explain at the general meeting the city’s and PD’s proposed charges for street closures, and our decision to pivot to a different approach. 12/
The participants at the general meeting were shocked and angered by the city’s and PD’s handling of ISF’s request for a permit to have streets closed. I said that I thought that as individuals they should communicate their views to the Mayor, the City Council, and anybody else they cared to.
The next item on the agenda related to fundraising, which I was scheduled to speak about. The ISF meeting chair gave me the cue. But, before I could start… 13/
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The participants at the general meeting were shocked and angered by the city’s and PD’s handling of ISF’s request for a permit to have streets closed. I said that I thought that as individuals they should communicate their views to the Mayor, the City Council, and anybody else they cared to.
The next item on the agenda related to fundraising, which I was scheduled to speak about. The ISF meeting chair gave me the cue. But, before I could start… 13/
… shouts from the audience alerted me, “The Mayor is here!” Also, “Let’s hear from the Mayor.” So, even though he was not on and had not asked to be on the agenda, I offered him the mic. 14/
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… shouts from the audience alerted me, “The Mayor is here!” Also, “Let’s hear from the Mayor.” So, even though he was not on and had not asked to be on the agenda, I offered him the mic. 14/
The Mayor began by saying he didn’t know what was happening. I asked if he had received the email retracting the permit request and why; he said he had. I said, “that’s what is happening,” The Mayor took it from there. 15/
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I won’t belabor all the happenings at the second meeting. Suffice it to say that when we said we had thoughts about a route that should, based on their information provided at the first meeting, reduce costs, the police said that actually the cost for the original route was not a minimum of $11,000, it was minimum of $25,000. Moreover, police said, that would be minimum cost for ANY street closures. 8/
@heidilifeldman we just looked up what it costs here in San Francisco, and it was listed as $160-$2,400. Didn't see if that was per-block. But that's a whole lot less than what you've been quoted.
Editing to add: I'm not completely confident of those numbers, it was a quick search for permit costs here in San Francisco. Would be interesting to get actually publicly documented costs in various cities.
Found this: https://www.sf.gov/get-a-permit-to-close-a-street-for-a-special-event
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The Mayor began by saying he didn’t know what was happening. I asked if he had received the email retracting the permit request and why; he said he had. I said, “that’s what is happening,” The Mayor took it from there. 15/
He spent about ten minutes speaking. He talked about numerous recent marches in Santa Fe where planners had not sought permits, the city had engaged in “proactive policing” at the events, and everybody was safe and fine. He talked about how asking about a permit and then making a different plan was like asking for a building permit, not wanting to pay for it, and proceeding anyway. He said, “the city would stop that.” 16/
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He spent about ten minutes speaking. He talked about numerous recent marches in Santa Fe where planners had not sought permits, the city had engaged in “proactive policing” at the events, and everybody was safe and fine. He talked about how asking about a permit and then making a different plan was like asking for a building permit, not wanting to pay for it, and proceeding anyway. He said, “the city would stop that.” 16/
At this point, I interrupted the Mayor, thanked him for his unscheduled remarks, and explained that I had a scheduled agenda item - fundraising - to discuss. This garnered much applause from meeting participants and a few angry/disgruntled reactions at, I think, me interrupting the mayor. 17/
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At this point, I interrupted the Mayor, thanked him for his unscheduled remarks, and explained that I had a scheduled agenda item - fundraising - to discuss. This garnered much applause from meeting participants and a few angry/disgruntled reactions at, I think, me interrupting the mayor. 17/
I covered the fundraising matters.
I then asked the group if they would like an unscheduled presentation from me on First Amendment law and legitimate government regulation of assembly and speech. I said I thought it apropos since NK3 in Santa Fe is going to be a celebration of democracy and civil rights, including First Amendment rights. 18/
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At this point, I interrupted the Mayor, thanked him for his unscheduled remarks, and explained that I had a scheduled agenda item - fundraising - to discuss. This garnered much applause from meeting participants and a few angry/disgruntled reactions at, I think, me interrupting the mayor. 17/
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I covered the fundraising matters.
I then asked the group if they would like an unscheduled presentation from me on First Amendment law and legitimate government regulation of assembly and speech. I said I thought it apropos since NK3 in Santa Fe is going to be a celebration of democracy and civil rights, including First Amendment rights. 18/
Lots of applause and nods, so I went ahead. To illustrate how a law-biding organization would approach a city about permits for a closed street march, I referenced what ISF had done. I used a hypothetical city to illustrate a range of possible responses or approaches that would be consistent or even supportive of First Amendment rights to engage in political speech. I used the actual Santa Fe city’s responses to illustrate clear transgressions of well-settled First Amendment rights. 19/
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Lots of applause and nods, so I went ahead. To illustrate how a law-biding organization would approach a city about permits for a closed street march, I referenced what ISF had done. I used a hypothetical city to illustrate a range of possible responses or approaches that would be consistent or even supportive of First Amendment rights to engage in political speech. I used the actual Santa Fe city’s responses to illustrate clear transgressions of well-settled First Amendment rights. 19/
Mayor was there throughout.
Meeting concluded. I went out to vestibule, where I said I would be, to hand out fundraising materials. Very kindly, many meeting participants shook my hand or patted my back or gave words of support as I went to my post. Some had questions about the law, which I tried to answer. 20/
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Lots of applause and nods, so I went ahead. To illustrate how a law-biding organization would approach a city about permits for a closed street march, I referenced what ISF had done. I used a hypothetical city to illustrate a range of possible responses or approaches that would be consistent or even supportive of First Amendment rights to engage in political speech. I used the actual Santa Fe city’s responses to illustrate clear transgressions of well-settled First Amendment rights. 19/
Many asked me if I thought the city would change its position or would sua sponte close streets.
I said I doubted it. 20/
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Many asked me if I thought the city would change its position or would sua sponte close streets.
I said I doubted it. 20/
I’ll let you know if the City of #SantaFe course corrects and plans street closures for NK3. In the meantime, some information #NoKings 3.0 in #SantaFe #NewMexico on March 28. It would help us out if ANYBODY interested registered for info from us via this portal. https://mobilize.us/s/htumHo. (Use an email mask to avoid having your email address sold - we can’t control that, we don’t run the Mobilize platform.) We’d love a record of how many support the event, want to know about it. 21/
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