Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
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"scammers often pressure victims into disabling security measures"
gee Google, i wonder where they might find malware that would bypass those "security measures" without any pressure at all??? oh well not fucking important i guess.
@burnitdown @grote I'd be willing to bet most are from AdSense ads
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@argv_minus_one I'm strongly against using ARM for desktops, but I'll be first in line to agree that they are good for laptops and other portable devices.
It is a shame it isn't used more. There is literally no reason this has to be specific to Apple.
I think a lot of people forget that laptops shouldn't be behemoths built to do 1/3rd to 1/2 of what a desktop can do at 2-3x the cost tied down to a desk running super hot and loud with a keyboard, mouse, and monitor plugged in. (Seriously, why do people do this???) They should be small, light, and efficient because they're meant to be portable.
But they also shouldn't be locked down walled gardens (see Chromebook crap.)
I did see a neat little open laptop thing on my feed, but it seems to be not available yet?
I'm hoping we get RISC-V desktops/laptops instead, since it's an open standard.
The manufacturer of one RISC-V laptop, the DC-ROMA II, claims it has an 8-hour battery life. If that's true then it's definitely competitive with Apple in that regard.
The CPU's clock speed is only 2GHz, though, so unless it has very high instructions-per-clock compared to Apple Silicon, it's going to be quite slow.
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@Epic_Null @FifiSch @grote And I'm saying it's not scary if you mess it up is because you can just simply try again and not do something really stupid like yanking out the cable the second time.
I'm also saying most have dual partition layouts where if you do screw up the second one you can go back to booting the first.
Also, there's nothing wrong with the old tried and true "just ask someone who knows this stuff" like people used to do back in the day. I don't know why everyone decided that they had to just buy stuff certain ways and if it wasn't right toss it and buy a new thing rather than just asking someone who knows the thing like everyone used to do...
@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote and my response is that's only comforting to those who are already confident in their ability to complete the task at hand. If this is your first time, you have no clue what "something really stupid" looks like, or what happens when that occurs.
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@grote 24 hours of not owning my phone is evil. This is stupid. I'm fine with everything but the pointless 24 hour wait and the biometric requirement. Give us your personally identifiable information and wait in phone purgatory for 24 hours to actually be able to own your device? Ridiculous.
@CalcProgrammer1 @grote Google is evil. It should have been clear after they change from their "don't be evil" motto.
Not sure what the thing is with PIN or biometrics. Are biometrics now required?
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@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote and my response is that's only comforting to those who are already confident in their ability to complete the task at hand. If this is your first time, you have no clue what "something really stupid" looks like, or what happens when that occurs.
@Epic_Null @FifiSch @grote Ok, let me say it more clearly: you can't mess it up to such an extent that it won't boot ever again without doing some things that basically require you to know what you are doing and intentionally screwing it up because you wanted to make some kind of point or something.
And, again, even if they screw it up to that level, they can just boot back to the original which wasn't overwritten because again, as I just said, modern phones use two separate partitions. When you tell it to flash, it goes to the unused one unless you very specifically manually tell it to use the wrong one.
You really really really don't like the idea of having control over your own device do you?
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Dont use bank apps. Find a Credit Union
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I'm hoping we get RISC-V desktops/laptops instead, since it's an open standard.
The manufacturer of one RISC-V laptop, the DC-ROMA II, claims it has an 8-hour battery life. If that's true then it's definitely competitive with Apple in that regard.
The CPU's clock speed is only 2GHz, though, so unless it has very high instructions-per-clock compared to Apple Silicon, it's going to be quite slow.
@argv_minus_one There probably are a lot of possibilities there. I'd definitely be interested to see how RISC-V pans out.
ARM is very weak per cycle compared to most other processor techs. I can't say where RISC-V is though. (After all, ARM basically is a form of RISC...) So it's not impossible a 2GHz processor could perform very favorably compared to ARM. Or not. It really depends... I don't have enough info on RISC-V to say one way or the other.
(Bear in mind that benchmarks are shockingly artificial and basically let processors cheat a lot.)
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@TimWardCam @grote I feel like you're inventing a weird fictional scenario here to be mad about, but Google Play already has support for limited distribution of apps for internal testing without requiring all of the steps required to publish an app in the Play Store: https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9845334?hl=en
@tedmielczarek My weird fictional scenario is normal people using @fdroidorg to get their apps. They have apps that are downloaded millions of times per week. A hobbyist exception to distribute one app to 20 people who need to first opt-in doesn't cut it for those. Also your link goes to Google Play testing, so you may not have understood the issue.
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote this is BS
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote But... ya know... 'unbridled' Capitalism!..
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@itsFriday @CalcProgrammer1 @grote that implies that "installing an application" and not requiring a license from the state + google to do so .. is a "feature for advanced users" which it isnt.
@Li @CalcProgrammer1 @grote True. I see "advanced user" as just some one knowing a bit more as the average user. Maybe there is a better term.
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They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:
@grote Yeah, "committed to openness", what an ugly lie.
And "one time 24 hour wait" ... I bet that will be a lie, too. I'm pretty sure this will hit me more than once :-(.
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@tedmielczarek My weird fictional scenario is normal people using @fdroidorg to get their apps. They have apps that are downloaded millions of times per week. A hobbyist exception to distribute one app to 20 people who need to first opt-in doesn't cut it for those. Also your link goes to Google Play testing, so you may not have understood the issue.
@grote @fdroidorg sorry, that was directed at Tim, not you. I understand and appreciate what F-Droid provides and agree that this sucks badly. I just also think that people have a tendency to get off in the weeds instead of focusing on the things that matter.
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@grote so is not so bad in the end.
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote SailfishOS is waiting for these people.
Made by ex-Nokia employees and a viable daily driver since 2013.
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Credit union browser access europe.
Start making enquiries now and let them know it might be a revolition for memberships?
https://help.bcu.org/s/article/Accessing-BCU-Mobile-Banking-App-in-the-EU
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"scammers often pressure victims into disabling security measures"
gee Google, i wonder where they might find malware that would bypass those "security measures" without any pressure at all??? oh well not fucking important i guess.
Where indeed 🤔

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@argv_minus_one There probably are a lot of possibilities there. I'd definitely be interested to see how RISC-V pans out.
ARM is very weak per cycle compared to most other processor techs. I can't say where RISC-V is though. (After all, ARM basically is a form of RISC...) So it's not impossible a 2GHz processor could perform very favorably compared to ARM. Or not. It really depends... I don't have enough info on RISC-V to say one way or the other.
(Bear in mind that benchmarks are shockingly artificial and basically let processors cheat a lot.)
Well, I've observed some rather insane real-world single-thread performance from an Apple M1 in a MacBook. It runs circles around my desktop!
The M1 is about 5 years newer than my desktop, granted, but my desktop is a desktop! With a kilowatt power supply and a hefty CPU cooler and everything! (It was previously used for high-intensity gaming.)
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote is it necessary a dragon blood and sirens tears?