UPDATE: they have dropped Persona!

[sef@social.coop]

@Andres4NY @nullagent @liaizon @scan Perhaps I’m exaggerating, but it seems to me that FOSS people slept on this particular itch a decade too long turning it into a festering wound in that we’re out of options wrt decent payment rails. Another frontend for PayPal or Stripe isn’t going to change that. Only two options I see are setting up foundations for the most vital projects or slip into full regulatory evasion mode, none of which seem very feasible.

[benjaoming@social.data.coop]

@malte @liaizon If all the fiscal hosts are free to choose whatever KYC provider they want, why did Open Source Collective choose Persona? And isn't Open Source Collective (the fiscal host) the same people running Open Collective (the platform), just wearing different hats to let us know that the KYC integration developed by OC has nothing to do with what KYC that OSC chooses?

(abbreviations used on purpose to emphasize the silliness of OC finger-pointing at OSC)

[alxndr@tech.lgbt]

@Li @Betree @opsocket @liaizon This.

You know what they say about people who are "agnostic" to fascists...

[db0@hachyderm.io]

@liaizon @scan I'm glad I'm not using it for my FOSS projects, but I'm afraid the others like liberapay and ko-fi will be eventually be strong-armed by the US-controlled banking system to do the same.

[alxndr@tech.lgbt]

@liaizon Hey @CryptPad, Open Collective is voluntarily integrating a fascist surveillance tool. Would a subscription on your official instance support you in the same way as an OC contribution?

#Surveillance #Fascism

[liaizon@social.wake.st]

@db0 that actually reminds me that that reaching out to their competitors for "a take" isn't a bad idea

[cryptpad@social.xwiki.com]

@alxndr @liaizon Ugh, thank you for pointing this out. We are very sorry to learn this. We will do our best to find an alternative but we're pretty tied to OC at the moment.

Indeed subscribing on our flagship instance is another way to support the project, you get benefits in return such as more storage and priority support.

[alxndr@tech.lgbt]

@CryptPad Thanks! I will switch to a subscription then, if OC doesn't stop integrating Persona etc. (As a CryptPad self-hoster, I probably wouldn't be using many resources on cryptpad.fr anyway.)

@liaizon

[mosttoast@bostonmusic.online]

@nullagent @liaizon @scan wait, is that Open Collective, or Open Source Collective? Are those the same?

[liaizon@social.wake.st]

@mosttoast @nullagent @scan
They are different. Open Collective is the software, Open Source Collective is the US based fiscal host of many projects in OC but not the only host. There is also Open Source Europe which is the other big fiscal host that is on OC.

[eighthave@social.librem.one]

@liaizon @scan Persona probably makes it really easy to integrate. OpenCollective needs to solve a real problem. The best approach here is to help find and integrate better systems since they seem open to other options.

[blogdiva@mastodon.social]

QUESTION:
are you asking this from representatives of an incorporated non-profit entity or from individuals who aren't incorporated?

@poohlaga @liaizon

[blogdiva@mastodon.social]

QUESTION 2

you are doing this because you won't deal directly with USA banks and instead use Paypal (a Persona and Palantir related company) as a middleman, correct?

i was shocked to see the onus OSC put on people by using Paypal ―a company notorious for robbing millions from NPOs and independent workers― instead of doing direct deposits to FDIC banks which already do all the security & identity verification.

what’s in it for OSC to force payments thru Paypal?

@poohlaga @liaizon

[saucerlost@mastodon.social]

@poohlaga
I go to a restaurant, order a sandwich. The plate comes out with a dog 💩 on the side. I'm told I don't have to eat it, and that it never touched my sandwich. I leave, because you're obviously fine with playing around with nasty 💩 in your kitchen.

Feel free to run this by the engineers.
@liaizon

[fluffykittycat@furry.engineer]

@poohlaga @liaizon why should people all of a sudden be expected to give a pedophile Nazi vampire their ID to do with as he pleases

[poohlaga@mastodon.social]

@blogdiva @liaizon People have the option to receive payment through bank account or PayPal. You are 100% right, we prefer to pay people through their bank account because it makes user verification a non-issue. It's up to the user though and some prefer to stick with PayPal.

[poohlaga@mastodon.social]

@blogdiva @liaizon Individuals

[blogdiva@mastodon.social]

@poohlaga @liaizon this is why i won't use your services and have warned people. it’s not you. it’s the Paypal-Palantir connection.

fiscal sponsors are incredibly important but not like this. FDIC banks already do a ton of security work. i do not understand why you won't do direct deposit to individuals with an FDIC bank.

i urge you to change this policy.

Palantir is behind #ICE logistics systems. both Karp and Thiel are vocal about destroying democracy.

please, don't sustain that.

[blogdiva@mastodon.social]

@poohlaga @liaizon so it’s Paypal demanding the Persona verification, not an FDIC bank, correct?

[poohlaga@mastodon.social]

@blogdiva @liaizon We do make deposits to banks. A majority of the transfers we make are with banks. We do prefer bank transfers over PayPal. I agreed with you.