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@oblomov @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
ahhh. mmm. wow. yes. ahhh
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@lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub
read the second paragraph ^^^
"removing it didn't bring any better features" is just a straight up lie
you insist mastodon abandoned ostatus because cackling moustache twirling evil
when all they did was implement new features
alexandre you're losing credibility
mastodon implemented AP, which brought new features
then it worked with both protocols for a while, and benefited from the interop
then it removed OStatus, which was a jerk move that didn't bring any features whatsoever
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mastodon implemented AP, which brought new features
then it worked with both protocols for a while, and benefited from the interop
then it removed OStatus, which was a jerk move that didn't bring any features whatsoever
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how do you implement a new protocol with new features, and it also supports an old protocol without those features
you don't. not because of vast unfathomable evil. but because it is just practically impossible
come on man
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@lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
how do you implement a new protocol with new features, and it also supports an old protocol without those features
you don't. not because of vast unfathomable evil. but because it is just practically impossible
come on man
it's so impossible that it happened. go figure!
mastodon had a full implementation of AP in release 1.6. then it dropped OStatus in release 3.0.
and it's not even the only case of multi protocol support. friendica and hubzilla implement multiple different protocols. so does dovecot (imap, pop, and more). oh, look, browsers also support multiple protocols: http, https, ftp, ... Emacs ange-ftp supports all of these plus ssh and rsync and more. http servers typically support multiple versions of http, and openssh has supported multiple versions of the ssh protocol.
they don't go about making up problems that don't exist, and inventing impossibilities that aren't there.
it takes a lot of wrong assumptions to conclude it can't be done to defend the indefensible.
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it's so impossible that it happened. go figure!
mastodon had a full implementation of AP in release 1.6. then it dropped OStatus in release 3.0.
and it's not even the only case of multi protocol support. friendica and hubzilla implement multiple different protocols. so does dovecot (imap, pop, and more). oh, look, browsers also support multiple protocols: http, https, ftp, ... Emacs ange-ftp supports all of these plus ssh and rsync and more. http servers typically support multiple versions of http, and openssh has supported multiple versions of the ssh protocol.
they don't go about making up problems that don't exist, and inventing impossibilities that aren't there.
it takes a lot of wrong assumptions to conclude it can't be done to defend the indefensible.
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alexandre:
activitypub does restricted-audience messages
ostatus does public, broadcast-style messages
you can't use ostatus with mastodon
it's simply impossible
you've lost credibility on this topic in my eyes
you just seem to be arguing stubbornly rather than admitting fault when you must to be considered seriously
it's perfectly fine to admit fault
i screw up all the time
and then i admit it
you can too
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@lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
alexandre:
activitypub does restricted-audience messages
ostatus does public, broadcast-style messages
you can't use ostatus with mastodon
it's simply impossible
you've lost credibility on this topic in my eyes
you just seem to be arguing stubbornly rather than admitting fault when you must to be considered seriously
it's perfectly fine to admit fault
i screw up all the time
and then i admit it
you can too
it's so simply impossible to use mastodon with OStatus that it was supported until 3.0 removed it.
it's so simply impossible that, before AP was introduced, there was only OStatus in mastodon
this is really wild! you got an infinite improbability drive over there?
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it's so simply impossible to use mastodon with OStatus that it was supported until 3.0 removed it.
it's so simply impossible that, before AP was introduced, there was only OStatus in mastodon
this is really wild! you got an infinite improbability drive over there?
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"it's so simply impossible to use mastodon with OStatus that it was supported until 3.0 removed it."
yes, because mastodon improved their software to do something that was impossible with ostatus
why are you still arguing? do you not see the folly? this is all very obvious
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@lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
"it's so simply impossible to use mastodon with OStatus that it was supported until 3.0 removed it."
yes, because mastodon improved their software to do something that was impossible with ostatus
why are you still arguing? do you not see the folly? this is all very obvious
you mean direct messages?
release 2.6 revamped support for them. this means they were already supported before.
2.6 was a while before 3.0. I can tell because 2 < 3.
mastodon supported OStatus, and did direct messages, presumably just not with OStatus
this is not so hard to understand
such things happen all the time with programs that care about interoperability
you know that file you saved with an old word processor
you can still load it with a newer word processor, despite the addition of new features
you may even be able to save it back for the older word processor to be able to load it, but newer features may be discarded
it's not rocket science, just good engineering that benefits users
now, I guess I know why you are arguing
I assume you're not trying to embarrass yourself, and that you're not as stupid as you're pretending to be, so I must conclude you're trolling
it's not cool to troll a person who's autistic and tends to interpret things literally
you seemed nice at first
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you mean direct messages?
release 2.6 revamped support for them. this means they were already supported before.
2.6 was a while before 3.0. I can tell because 2 < 3.
mastodon supported OStatus, and did direct messages, presumably just not with OStatus
this is not so hard to understand
such things happen all the time with programs that care about interoperability
you know that file you saved with an old word processor
you can still load it with a newer word processor, despite the addition of new features
you may even be able to save it back for the older word processor to be able to load it, but newer features may be discarded
it's not rocket science, just good engineering that benefits users
now, I guess I know why you are arguing
I assume you're not trying to embarrass yourself, and that you're not as stupid as you're pretending to be, so I must conclude you're trolling
it's not cool to troll a person who's autistic and tends to interpret things literally
you seemed nice at first
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How do you send a restricted audience message on a broadcast only protocol
How do you expect a software that has restricted audience messages to honor a protocol that cannot do that
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@lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
How do you send a restricted audience message on a broadcast only protocol
How do you expect a software that has restricted audience messages to honor a protocol that cannot do that
@benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
You don't: you warn the user that one of the recipient cannot receive restricted messages.
You're making mountains out of molehills to defend an indefensible position.
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@lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
How do you send a restricted audience message on a broadcast only protocol
How do you expect a software that has restricted audience messages to honor a protocol that cannot do that
maybe ask mastodon developers how they managed such a feat
you may want to ask GNU social developers as well
or maybe do your own research, instead of embarrassing yourself
you're destroying your reputation as a knowledgeable person on matters of software, if you had any
me dá vergonha alheia
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maybe ask mastodon developers how they managed such a feat
you may want to ask GNU social developers as well
or maybe do your own research, instead of embarrassing yourself
you're destroying your reputation as a knowledgeable person on matters of software, if you had any
me dá vergonha alheia
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Eu estava pensando no efeito Dunning-Kruger
Seriously you both are clowns
You just drop support for antiquated tech. Completely normal and expected
This is the most hilarious farce of a thread I've been in in awhile. I thank you for the entertainment
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@lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
Eu estava pensando no efeito Dunning-Kruger
Seriously you both are clowns
You just drop support for antiquated tech. Completely normal and expected
This is the most hilarious farce of a thread I've been in in awhile. I thank you for the entertainment
funny how this excuse doesn't work for other incompatibilities mastodon introduced, no?
dunning-kruger indeed
you think they're lazy, incompetent, or malicious?
hint: can't be lazy because removing ostatus took plenty of work
hint: can't be incompetent because it largely works
hmm...
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funny how this excuse doesn't work for other incompatibilities mastodon introduced, no?
dunning-kruger indeed
you think they're lazy, incompetent, or malicious?
hint: can't be lazy because removing ostatus took plenty of work
hint: can't be incompetent because it largely works
hmm...
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Yes mastodon introduced incompatibilities with ostatus
They're called IMPROVEMENTS you doorknob
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@lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
Yes mastodon introduced incompatibilities with ostatus
They're called IMPROVEMENTS you doorknob
@benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
and still you insist on ignoring the point, which is that they could have kept OStatus support and only use the improvements for AP only. They could, they chose not to.
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@benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
and still you insist on ignoring the point, which is that they could have kept OStatus support and only use the improvements for AP only. They could, they chose not to.
@oblomov @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
i already answered that point. You can scroll up and read sunshine. But for the sake of your sundowning dementia: no one gives a flying fuck about an antiquated protocol except 2 absurd characters with the most hilarious obsession
but don't mind me and my sharp language. Remember i'm a google goon, libertarian moron, projection dependent, immoral drunk driver apologist
🤣
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@oblomov @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
i already answered that point. You can scroll up and read sunshine. But for the sake of your sundowning dementia: no one gives a flying fuck about an antiquated protocol except 2 absurd characters with the most hilarious obsession
but don't mind me and my sharp language. Remember i'm a google goon, libertarian moron, projection dependent, immoral drunk driver apologist
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@benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
Yes, you already pointed out that the Mastodon developers not give a flying fuck about interop is a “fact of life”. And we already pointed out the ethical implications of that. Calling us names because you're uncomfortable with the ethical implications of your remarks only tells on you.
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@benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
Yes, you already pointed out that the Mastodon developers not give a flying fuck about interop is a “fact of life”. And we already pointed out the ethical implications of that. Calling us names because you're uncomfortable with the ethical implications of your remarks only tells on you.
@oblomov @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
The ethical implications...
Of not supporting a defunct substandard protocol
The *ethical implications*
BWAHAHAHAHA
Oh man this is exquisite
You can't make this shit up
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@oblomov @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
The ethical implications...
Of not supporting a defunct substandard protocol
The *ethical implications*
BWAHAHAHAHA
Oh man this is exquisite
You can't make this shit up
@benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
And you keep ignoring how OStatus is only one example in a string of examples, but hey, again, whatever you need to protect yoursel.
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@andre123 ma si! Dedichiamo un po di tempo a questa novità... tanto abbiamo un sacco di tempo libero...😱🎼
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Non si può continuare a stare a guardare l'umanità che si suicida
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@ilarioq @snow Bene ! Per quanto mi riguarda sono agli inizi anche io eh ! Però trovo che sia una tecnologia molto interessante da "imparare" perchè potrebbe avere sviluppo e risultare utile !
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I’m looking for a new client to access mastodon / fedi. Something I can run on one of my RPis, and access from web-browsers on various devices, all with a synched reading position. Zero desire for multi-column layouts. Minimal desire for python, because dependency management.
Elk looked good, but requires Docker: https://github.com/elk-zone/elk
Brutaldon looks good, but python and Django… oof. https://gitlab.com/brutaldon/brutaldon/-/blob/main/INSTALL.md?ref_type=heads
Pinafore is unmaintained: https://github.com/nolanlawson/pinafore
Any other suggestions?
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E c'è chi dice cha la Formula 1 è solo uno sport.
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@cretinodicrescenzago peraltro se lo usi per te stesso è un'osservazione completamente prima di senso. Se io voglio farmi chiamare IlCoglione, anche senza categorie pscichitriche, mica mi sto facendo un complimento.
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No Alpitour?
In tutta franchezza sono più preoccupato della paurosa impennata che avrà il prezzo dei prodotti petroliferi ed energetici con conseguenze inevitabili sull'inflazione e sull'economia mondiale di quei quattro minchioni bloccati perché erano in vacanza a Dubai o in crociera sul Golfo Persico.
