The Epstein scandal is taking down Europe’s political class.

[nicelymanifest@mastodon.social]

@eunews Not apparent but systemic.

[tsyum@thepit.social]

@eunews I think Politico ought to be ashamed. An article with this title - as if they aren’t *contributing* to the ongoing abuse?
“[No] evidence has suggested that [Trump] took part in Epstein’s trafficking operation.”

[gerbrand@fosstodon.org]

@clintruin @flesh @eunews no and no president did anything to abolish institutes of oppression there predecessor had set up. Biden could have abolished ICE but chose not to. Not to mention Obama.

[obscurestar@mastodon.social]

@gerbrand @clintruin @flesh @eunews I love how in your head presidents exist in a vacuum with no outside influences. Grow up. Look at how many lies the right has been able to fuel out of the BLM protests and immigration has long been their boogeyman man. Had Obama done as you say we'd STILL be stuck in a right wing fascist totalitarian regime because they could have whipped up 3x the fear. Citizens United made sure of that. But keep screaming 'both sides'. It's what the right wants.

[clintruin@mastodon.social]

@obscurestar @gerbrand @flesh @eunews
Dude - My comment is about the history of America. I can't stop reality from being reality. Every regime since 9-11 (and many more) has been guilty of torture and murder. Simply a fact.

If you're gonna tell me any of them are clean I'm actually kind of embarrassed for you.

[obscurestar@mastodon.social]

@clintruin @gerbrand @flesh @eunews And a fallacy of scale is still a fallacy of scale. But good job moving those goalposts so quickly, ma'am.

[clintruin@mastodon.social]

@obscurestar @gerbrand @flesh @eunews
Fallacy of scale 😂

Well then it should be VERY easy for you to prove me wrong.

[clintruin@mastodon.social]

@obscurestar @gerbrand @flesh @eunews
Oh, and...
https://youtu.be/ZSCXwHEG0_w?si=6dN6jU9XizPx0a2v

[xs4me2@mastodon.social]

@eunews

Decency, accountability vs a bunch of blatant immoral thugs in rule… it cannot go on like this, I do hope this aberration will prove self destructive…

[obscurestar@mastodon.social]

@clintruin @gerbrand @flesh @eunews Oh, you already did that in your previous post, you misogynistic transphobe. See, using the wrong gender there. That proves you're a right wing troll. Of course you'll make excuses and try to play it down as accidental or not representative but we're doing the absolute purity politics and you are now forever tainted.

Were I invested in this ploy, it'd be easy to bully you on it, whip up other people screaming for your head. it's exactly what you're doing.

[clintruin@mastodon.social]

@obscurestar @gerbrand @flesh @eunews
I see. You have a nice day.
Do what you gotta do. I'm gonna block you now.

[txtx@mastodon.social]

@eunews All this article does is remind me that 🇮🇹 Berlusconi served no jail time related to underage prostitution.

[robo105@mastodon.social]

@eunews Isn't that usa history in a nutshell?

[flesh@transfem.social]

@obscurestar@mastodon.social @gerbrand@fosstodon.org @clintruin@mastodon.social @eunews@mastodon.social "We were just following orders" aah argument.

[obscurestar@mastodon.social]

@flesh @clintruin @gerbrand @eunews Nothing like that. It's the 'No True Scotsman' thing I have issue with. No one is flawless. Trying to go 'both sides' and assert Obama is just as bad as Trump is approaching racism. Tacitly saying that no person of color could be better than a narcissistic racist pedophile. It's profoundly dishonest. Presidents don't have unlimited power. If they did, Trump would have us all in shallow graves by now.

[flesh@transfem.social]

@obscurestar@mastodon.social @clintruin@mastodon.social @gerbrand@fosstodon.org I'm not perfect, I can be snappy with people sometimes.
I did not, however, issue kill orders on foreign civilians. Nor did I oversee a torture facility.
These are not things one should be expected to forgive.
"No true Scotsman" doesn't apply when the person in question is provably a monster.
Obama isn't Scottish, we know that for a fact. It's not a fallacy to acknowledge that. He is also, as demonstrated by his actions in office, not a good person, nor anywhere close to leftist. Because these words have meanings and he provably doesn't fit.
And no, it's not racist that the one black guy the party allowed to be the Head War Criminal is a bad person. All the white people before him and after him were shit, too. His race is hardly relevant in the conversation. Other than it'll be inevitably used as a shield from criticism of his actions.
The American State is rotten, has been since the beginning, and any Head of State is rotten by extension.
You seem to cling to the belief that the Democratic Party is a meaningful opposition and antithesis to Republican behaviour and ideology. And they really aren't. They still represent the same corporate and nationalist interests, just with a half-heartedly progressive spin. They're not "both sides", because it's not just a 1v1, as much as both parties want you to believe. Politics exists outside of the two party system and virtually any voice of principled opposition has been pushed out of electoral politics at this point. The framing of there being two sides gives Democrats an excuse to be somewhat less hordible and present it as virtue. And it gives the Republicans further ability to misrepresent any opposition or alternatives.
If you cannot see that the Democrats are complacent at best and enthusiastically supportive at worst in most the abuses the State commits on its citizens and foreigners alike, then you really don't see the actual issue.