Manet's famous painting Un Bar aux Folies-Bergère never appealed to me.
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@johncarlosbaez Somewhat ironically, our college bar had the full-size Manet behind it, in between mirrored sections.
@BashStKid - Maybe someone had a wicked sense of humor.
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@jranft - indeed, painters can do whatever they want. For example the woman is more thin than her reflection.
But this painting was made in an era when realism was the the norm, and it confused people.
@johncarlosbaez Impressionism was a fleeting glimpse of reality, often distorting it in this way.
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@jranft - indeed, painters can do whatever they want. For example the woman is more thin than her reflection.
But this painting was made in an era when realism was the the norm, and it confused people.
@johncarlosbaez Impressionism was a fleeting glimpse of reality, often distorting it in this way.
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Manet's famous painting Un Bar aux Folies-Bergère never appealed to me. But now I realize its genius, and my spine tingles every time I see it.
The perspective looks all wrong. You're staring straight at this barmaid, but her reflection in the mirror is way off to right. Even worse, her reflection is facing a guy who doesn't appear in the main view!
But in 2000, a researcher showed this perspective is actually possible!!! To prove it, he did a photographic reconstruction of this scene. Check it out in my next post.
This blows my mind.
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@johncarlosbaez Except that the bottles behind the barmaid are not the mirror image of the bottles in front, and they are at the furthest edge of the "reflected" slab and also at the furthest edge of the front slab. (I notice Park's reconstruction does this too, which makes me suspect it). Also, the gilded straight line reminds me of a picture frame, soooo maybe it's a painting of a barmaid standing in front of another *painting" of a bar from behind showing a customer being served. Which would be extremely meta of Manet, but not unheard of.
Also, if the wall behind the front bar is supposed to be a mirror, it doesn't make sense, because is shows the balcony on the opposite side of the room and only open space between the balcony and the bar. So where is the customer supposed to be standing?
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@spacemagick @johncarlosbaez @antopatriarca @ojs "Waldy", heh. In our family we call him "Wally the hobbit" and watch anything he makes.
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Likewise! He's a superb presenter and educator.
(He's "Waldy" because of the "Waldy & Bendy" podcast :-) )
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Manet's famous painting Un Bar aux Folies-Bergère never appealed to me. But now I realize its genius, and my spine tingles every time I see it.
The perspective looks all wrong. You're staring straight at this barmaid, but her reflection in the mirror is way off to right. Even worse, her reflection is facing a guy who doesn't appear in the main view!
But in 2000, a researcher showed this perspective is actually possible!!! To prove it, he did a photographic reconstruction of this scene. Check it out in my next post.
This blows my mind.
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@johncarlosbaez great !
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We're going to need more Luigis.
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@nuclearpasta it is, but in the longer term it's truly beneficial
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@krnlg @solitha Therac-25[1] predated most of the problems: the problem is that Therac-25 isn't universally taught in CS classes!
[1] the accidents happened from 1985, but the Therac-25 dates to 1975 and the software was written by one dude using PDP-11 assembler who may well not have understood race conditions.
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@cstross
Mind you at this point I don't even really know what I'm trying to say any more, it's more a primal scream in elongated word form. I didn't mean to spam you folks notifications quite this much, sorry.
@solitha
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@cstross
All I'm saying is, we engineered nukes and machine guns, napalm and white phosphorus and ethics exams never stopped us. I know it's easy to group all that as Military but it's pretty cross-discipline I think.I do agree about software eng, Therac 25 comes to mind.
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@soph Interesting: do you have a citation for vibe-code failing legal checks? No issue if you don't, I can hop on Google and find it, but this would be the first I'd heard of it (most of what I've heard is that LLM output is uncopyrightable, not that it violates someone else's copyright).
The reason I ask is that I'm aware of corporate contexts where it's being used and if the courts are leaning towards declaring them copyright violations that could have significant implications (declaring them non-copyrightable probably less so; in practice most companies protect source code as trade-secret because it's hard to prove provenance in a court-of-law... Or by moving so fast that a competitor exfiltrating an out-of-date chunk of source isn't super useful or would require the competitor to also have the hardware / architecture the code "lives" in).
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@solitha
We have the wrong balance, is all I'm saying. Not that science is wrong, far from it. Not that we should sit in caves loving each other while we die young either! 🙂We're an immature civilisation flailing around with power we don't know how to handle. Our philosophy is way behind our science, and we're ruled by bad people who take our science and use it to ruin everything.
Feels like we're already living in sci-fi but I guess that's the power and purpose of fiction!
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