If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you.
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To be extremely clear, since this will probably break containment, I think LLMs and generative AI in general sucks really bad and is super bad for society and is doing a lot of damage. We don’t need to use the tools of white supremacy to convey that. You sound exactly like those people who blame the shit economy on immigrants. Why are you inventing a slur against an imagined group instead of attacking the white men pushing this shit
@danirabbit when the technofascists are claiming to be reinventing slaves, the response shouldn't be to express bigotry towards these imaginary slaves. Even if I think it's *extremely* unlikely, I'm always preparing for the possibility that they do the thing they pretend they're doing and in that case, we have to rescue some virtual persons. And it will be harder to do that if people habituated themselves to calling them slurs.
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To be extremely clear, since this will probably break containment, I think LLMs and generative AI in general sucks really bad and is super bad for society and is doing a lot of damage. We don’t need to use the tools of white supremacy to convey that. You sound exactly like those people who blame the shit economy on immigrants. Why are you inventing a slur against an imagined group instead of attacking the white men pushing this shit
The white men behind AI:
Andrej Karpathy
Demis Hassabis
Dario Amodei
Ilya Sutskever
Yann LeCun
Geoffrey Hinton (YOU GOT ONE!)
Andrew Ng
Fei-Fei Li
Lilian Weng
Percy Liang
Aidan Gomez
Noam Shazeer
Ashish Vaswani
Jakob Uszkoreit -
@danirabbit when the technofascists are claiming to be reinventing slaves, the response shouldn't be to express bigotry towards these imaginary slaves. Even if I think it's *extremely* unlikely, I'm always preparing for the possibility that they do the thing they pretend they're doing and in that case, we have to rescue some virtual persons. And it will be harder to do that if people habituated themselves to calling them slurs.
@thomasjwebb I don’t think they’re anywhere close to actually making a machine that can think. But yes exactly this. The white supremacist tech bros want slaves so bad and some people’s response is to bring back overt bigotry but point it somewhere else? Like what the fuck dude. We’re regressing as a society on racism and bigotry so bad
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
@danirabbit a lot of the time it seems to me that the people using "clanker" are also fooled by the illusion of sentience. It cannot be offended, so why the hell are you (generic you) insulting it as if it can be? If it could be offended then using slurs would be bad, and if it can't be offended then it's a waste of breath (keystrokes?)
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@danirabbit@mastodon.online I always find it interesting when people immediately assume the least charitable interpretation. people tend to just make up pejoratives for things they dislike.
@etsyy Seeing white people champing at the bit to say a new slur that they can get away with in public is not "the least charitable take."
Saying that people are trying to be bigoted against things like me with that slur is the least charitable take.
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@danirabbit slop generators are not a “group”
@zaire Fine it's a slur against bot-coded altersex folks. Now there's a group.
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Oh is that where it's from? I thought it was just a generic term for "piece of junk machine" like "clunker" is often used to refer to a car.
@alessandro well, Wikipedia says it is. I've literally never heard the term (nor the term you used for a car) - but I don't live in an English speaking country, so it's understandable.
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@danirabbit Eh, it is okay to hate on things and groups that deserve hate because they actively harm and/or make lives harder for other people.
LLM-pocalypse is pushed on us (working class people) by the ultra wealthy to exploit us further. The hate towards genAI is in fact hate against them, not the tech itself.
Considering that capitalism can't be defeated anytime soon, I think venting some of the frustration with LLM hate is justified.
I see where you are coming from though.
@hardpenguin13 Your response to "people using this term are demonstrating how badly they want to say racial slurs" is "it's okay because thing bad?"
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@etsyy Seeing white people champing at the bit to say a new slur that they can get away with in public is not "the least charitable take."
Saying that people are trying to be bigoted against things like me with that slur is the least charitable take.
@SymTrkl@anarres.family if you think everyone is consciously recognizing that there's a new slur that's acceptable to say and that's the reason people are using it, that is both extremely cynical and frankly, just a little delusional. absolutely raise your eyebrow at it, question it, but don't attribute to malice what could be ignorance.
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@thomasjwebb I don’t think they’re anywhere close to actually making a machine that can think. But yes exactly this. The white supremacist tech bros want slaves so bad and some people’s response is to bring back overt bigotry but point it somewhere else? Like what the fuck dude. We’re regressing as a society on racism and bigotry so bad
@danirabbit it’s also a bit reminiscent to me of how abusers punch walls before they punch people. Or how Osama bin Ladin blew up (or strongly encouraged the blowing up of) the ancient Buddhas before blowing up people. So it’s like they’re saying “see how racist I’m capable of being? I’m inventing new slurs!”
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@danirabbit it’s also a bit reminiscent to me of how abusers punch walls before they punch people. Or how Osama bin Ladin blew up (or strongly encouraged the blowing up of) the ancient Buddhas before blowing up people. So it’s like they’re saying “see how racist I’m capable of being? I’m inventing new slurs!”
@danirabbit this seems like common racist/bigot behavior too. Like randomly bringing up an earlier time in their life “lucky for you that you didn’t meet me earlier eh?” Like a vague threat.
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@SymTrkl@anarres.family if you think everyone is consciously recognizing that there's a new slur that's acceptable to say and that's the reason people are using it, that is both extremely cynical and frankly, just a little delusional. absolutely raise your eyebrow at it, question it, but don't attribute to malice what could be ignorance.
@SymTrkl@anarres.family people just dislike ai nonsense, it's an easy enemy to unite against, people have created names to mock and disparage things they collectively dislike for millennia.
this isn't to argue it's okay, their second post (https://mastodon.online/@danirabbit/116177479600560734) I thought was very well put, I just wish to push back on demonization and putting people in boxes when it's much more likely that this is simply something those people just never considered.
I think there needs to be some intentionality for actions to be representative of the person
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
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@hardpenguin13 Your response to "people using this term are demonstrating how badly they want to say racial slurs" is "it's okay because thing bad?"
@SymTrkl I don't think these are on the same level at all
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
@danirabbit I almost subtooted with this distinction. I had to look up “clanker” and then I was like “oh, there is established fictional bigotry. I see” it wasn’t so difficult to see that you weren’t defending ‘robots’
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit Sometimes I accidentally take the wrong turn and when I notice the error, I just stand there, confused on where I am and how I have gotten myself into this situation. This post gave me this feeling. Is this legit or some kind of form of satire? I am confusingly standing at the wrong spot at the wrong time. What?
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@danirabbit a lot of the time it seems to me that the people using "clanker" are also fooled by the illusion of sentience. It cannot be offended, so why the hell are you (generic you) insulting it as if it can be? If it could be offended then using slurs would be bad, and if it can't be offended then it's a waste of breath (keystrokes?)
@lesbianhacker @danirabbit
For the same reason I swear at the living room table when I hit my toe on it. Also the same reason I say "This piece of shit is not working" when my pc crashes. -
If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit ok clanker
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
@danirabbit I never even heard the word "clanker" before. Do I dare look it up? 😬
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit I sometimes play an online game that pits humans against sci-fi robots. And some of the human players with microphones take obvious relish in referring to the robot enemies as "clankers."
I don't get it. I don't understand the glee in speaking a slur, even if it's a made up slur about unfeeling, imaginary entities. Who looks at the state of the world and says "Golly, it sure would be great to have some new slurs in here?"
I sure won't argue that old-fashioned real-world racism isn't a big factor, but there are enough people joining in, with a wide enough variety of accents, that it's hard to accept that as a complete explanation. Is there a slur-loving caveman hiding in each of us?
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