If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you.
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@danirabbit it’s also a bit reminiscent to me of how abusers punch walls before they punch people. Or how Osama bin Ladin blew up (or strongly encouraged the blowing up of) the ancient Buddhas before blowing up people. So it’s like they’re saying “see how racist I’m capable of being? I’m inventing new slurs!”
@danirabbit this seems like common racist/bigot behavior too. Like randomly bringing up an earlier time in their life “lucky for you that you didn’t meet me earlier eh?” Like a vague threat.
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@SymTrkl@anarres.family if you think everyone is consciously recognizing that there's a new slur that's acceptable to say and that's the reason people are using it, that is both extremely cynical and frankly, just a little delusional. absolutely raise your eyebrow at it, question it, but don't attribute to malice what could be ignorance.
@SymTrkl@anarres.family people just dislike ai nonsense, it's an easy enemy to unite against, people have created names to mock and disparage things they collectively dislike for millennia.
this isn't to argue it's okay, their second post (https://mastodon.online/@danirabbit/116177479600560734) I thought was very well put, I just wish to push back on demonization and putting people in boxes when it's much more likely that this is simply something those people just never considered.
I think there needs to be some intentionality for actions to be representative of the person
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
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@hardpenguin13 Your response to "people using this term are demonstrating how badly they want to say racial slurs" is "it's okay because thing bad?"
@SymTrkl I don't think these are on the same level at all
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
@danirabbit I almost subtooted with this distinction. I had to look up “clanker” and then I was like “oh, there is established fictional bigotry. I see” it wasn’t so difficult to see that you weren’t defending ‘robots’
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit Sometimes I accidentally take the wrong turn and when I notice the error, I just stand there, confused on where I am and how I have gotten myself into this situation. This post gave me this feeling. Is this legit or some kind of form of satire? I am confusingly standing at the wrong spot at the wrong time. What?
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@danirabbit a lot of the time it seems to me that the people using "clanker" are also fooled by the illusion of sentience. It cannot be offended, so why the hell are you (generic you) insulting it as if it can be? If it could be offended then using slurs would be bad, and if it can't be offended then it's a waste of breath (keystrokes?)
@lesbianhacker @danirabbit
For the same reason I swear at the living room table when I hit my toe on it. Also the same reason I say "This piece of shit is not working" when my pc crashes. -
If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit ok clanker
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
@danirabbit I never even heard the word "clanker" before. Do I dare look it up? 😬
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit I sometimes play an online game that pits humans against sci-fi robots. And some of the human players with microphones take obvious relish in referring to the robot enemies as "clankers."
I don't get it. I don't understand the glee in speaking a slur, even if it's a made up slur about unfeeling, imaginary entities. Who looks at the state of the world and says "Golly, it sure would be great to have some new slurs in here?"
I sure won't argue that old-fashioned real-world racism isn't a big factor, but there are enough people joining in, with a wide enough variety of accents, that it's hard to accept that as a complete explanation. Is there a slur-loving caveman hiding in each of us?
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit@mastodon.online
I'm with you. The willingness to use demeaning terms speaks volumes about a person.
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit this is the most mastodon post ever. Lmao.
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit Are you saying slop bots are people?
Because slop bots aren't people.
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@danirabbit Are you saying slop bots are people?
Because slop bots aren't people.
@yora it’s super easy to read the whole thread
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
@danirabbit is this a reference to me calling out Armin on bluesky lol https://bsky.app/profile/mitsuhiko.at/post/3mgd5h7hy5c25
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
I’ve now blocked people who have called me “clanker” in response to this thread, which really honestly proves my point. The type of person that wants this kind of language to exist and wants to use it is not a good person
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@danirabbit is this a reference to me calling out Armin on bluesky lol https://bsky.app/profile/mitsuhiko.at/post/3mgd5h7hy5c25
@riversnow I don’t know who you are or who that is. I don’t use bluesky
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit I can't recall exactly the details but I think this was an aspect of The Animatrix back in the day wrt how humans treated the machines and how poor a reflection that was for the humans given they were just replaying slavery - this isn't me saying LLMs are conscious, but as you say it has some shared shapes
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@riversnow I don’t know who you are or who that is. I don’t use bluesky
@danirabbit I assumed we are referring to the issue with chardet, I called Armin out for using the word Clanker, he used the exact same phrase "LLMs aren't people", which is why I thought you referred to it
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I’ve now blocked people who have called me “clanker” in response to this thread, which really honestly proves my point. The type of person that wants this kind of language to exist and wants to use it is not a good person
@danirabbit I really appreciate your insights and thoughts. Feels very level-headed, which isn’t something you see too much these days.
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