The Atlantic: Why Trump Didn’t Plan for the Strait of Hormuz
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The Atlantic: Why Trump Didn’t Plan for the Strait of Hormuz
In wartime, the enemy always gets a vote.
(These people are deeply unserious. I mean, they *must* be old enough to remember the 1980-88 tanker war and the vital role the Straits of Hormuz played back then, right?)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/hormuz-strait-iran-oil/686365/
@cstross “Ukrainians are now working with American forces and those of some of the Gulf States, training them on how to use cheap, effective Ukrainian equipment to take down inexpensive Iranian drones”
I hope they are charging high for the service! For the irony, if nothing else!
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@HighlandLawyer @cstross
I get the feeling that apocalyptic Christian extremism is basically Christianity-as-a-cargo-cult. They have a story of Rapture and Reward that they do not (are not allowed to) understand the deeper meaning of, being literalists. That story tells them that their savior and his kingdom will return after some series of events. Ergo, if they make these events occur, Jesus will come back and give them their due. It can't be a prediction, it has to be an instruction manual.@stingraz @HighlandLawyer @cstross
they cannot be kicked in the ass hard enough for this bullshit, imo.
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@HighlandLawyer @cstross
I get the feeling that apocalyptic Christian extremism is basically Christianity-as-a-cargo-cult. They have a story of Rapture and Reward that they do not (are not allowed to) understand the deeper meaning of, being literalists. That story tells them that their savior and his kingdom will return after some series of events. Ergo, if they make these events occur, Jesus will come back and give them their due. It can't be a prediction, it has to be an instruction manual.@stingraz @HighlandLawyer @cstross Civil Rights and the loss of public moral supremacy broke their existing coping mechanisms and sent them overtly nihilistic; anything so depraved as to insist they not be white supremacist in public had to be destroyed.
And of course this narrative splashed everywhere; that the sinful world deserves destruction is a core part of Christian thought. (Not historical doctrine, but thought.) The novelty lies mostly in the ubiquity of craving an apocalypse.
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@HighlandLawyer @cstross
I get the feeling that apocalyptic Christian extremism is basically Christianity-as-a-cargo-cult. They have a story of Rapture and Reward that they do not (are not allowed to) understand the deeper meaning of, being literalists. That story tells them that their savior and his kingdom will return after some series of events. Ergo, if they make these events occur, Jesus will come back and give them their due. It can't be a prediction, it has to be an instruction manual.@stingraz @HighlandLawyer @cstross
The weird thing is, the number of people who will go to heaven does not include all christians, and the rapture supposedly include the jews being punished for their crimes.So which group of christians do they think will go to heaven? Those who conspired with jews to commit those crimes, or those who didn't?
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@stingraz @HighlandLawyer @cstross you say chrstianity-as-a-cargo-cult as if it wasn't always a cargo cult
@alexmorse @HighlandLawyer @cstross not allowing themselves to even discuss the meaning of their foundational texts seems like an evolution though. It's not like the whole thing is even pretending to be immutable word-from-God level stuff, collated and fragmentary as it obliviously is. And then getting the description vs. prescription thing wrong feels like a very basic mistake. Very un-master race galaxy brain. About as bad as getting Marxism wrong, bolchevik-style, really.
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@alexmorse @HighlandLawyer @cstross not allowing themselves to even discuss the meaning of their foundational texts seems like an evolution though. It's not like the whole thing is even pretending to be immutable word-from-God level stuff, collated and fragmentary as it obliviously is. And then getting the description vs. prescription thing wrong feels like a very basic mistake. Very un-master race galaxy brain. About as bad as getting Marxism wrong, bolchevik-style, really.
@alexmorse @HighlandLawyer @cstross (Yes, of course I'm trying to find the most insulting comparison that still works. I hope that was clear when I put them in the same bin as the most gullible of pacific islanders from a century ago.)
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@alexmorse @HighlandLawyer @cstross (Yes, of course I'm trying to find the most insulting comparison that still works. I hope that was clear when I put them in the same bin as the most gullible of pacific islanders from a century ago.)
@stingraz @HighlandLawyer @cstross I appreciate trying to be maximally insulting in this case
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@stingraz @HighlandLawyer @cstross
The weird thing is, the number of people who will go to heaven does not include all christians, and the rapture supposedly include the jews being punished for their crimes.So which group of christians do they think will go to heaven? Those who conspired with jews to commit those crimes, or those who didn't?
@leeloo AIUI the Jehovah's Witnesses used to believe only 660,000 folks would go to heaven, and as there were 3 million of them this led to no little paranoia and side-eye action. As there are >16 million Jews, I'd say heaven's full, no Christians need apply to the Rapture.
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The Atlantic: Why Trump Didn’t Plan for the Strait of Hormuz
In wartime, the enemy always gets a vote.
(These people are deeply unserious. I mean, they *must* be old enough to remember the 1980-88 tanker war and the vital role the Straits of Hormuz played back then, right?)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/hormuz-strait-iran-oil/686365/
@cstross starting to wonder if the LLM that told them this was all ‘a great idea’ wasn’t told to check back on earlier wars in the region.
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@jackwilliambell I think you're right— they're not actual uneducated. But there is a notable disdain for education and particularly knowledge. Like, they think it's not particular relevant. That they're powerful geniuses who can outwit any situation with a little bit of cunning and creativity.
As a result, they're profoundly willfully ignorant.
@ariaflame @cstross@Tattie @jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross they’ve been exposed to an education of sorts. It doesn’t seem to have taken though. And they’re all fools of the sort who mistake intention with what will happen. (A mindset I find so foreign that I can’t remember the name for it.)
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@Tattie @jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross they’ve been exposed to an education of sorts. It doesn’t seem to have taken though. And they’re all fools of the sort who mistake intention with what will happen. (A mindset I find so foreign that I can’t remember the name for it.)
@Colman let me know if the word comes to you, that sounds useful
@jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross -
@Tattie @jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross they’ve been exposed to an education of sorts. It doesn’t seem to have taken though. And they’re all fools of the sort who mistake intention with what will happen. (A mindset I find so foreign that I can’t remember the name for it.)
@Colman @Tattie @jackwilliambell @ariaflame "Romantic" (in the original sense of the term): they think their desires shape and constrain reality, not vice versa.
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@Colman let me know if the word comes to you, that sounds useful
@jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross@Tattie @jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross it’s a style of political discourse. Put in a policy, be oblivious to all the higher order effects and then be really angry when they inevitably manifest.
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@Tattie @jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross they’ve been exposed to an education of sorts. It doesn’t seem to have taken though. And they’re all fools of the sort who mistake intention with what will happen. (A mindset I find so foreign that I can’t remember the name for it.)
@Colman @Tattie @ariaflame @cstross
I learned a long time ago someone who knows as much as you do about a subject can have *entirely different opinions about it*. Not everyone thinks the same.
And, as you point out, not everyone's *thinking styles* are the same.
And it's not always cultural differences in play either. But the real problem here is these people lack empathy, and their thinking styles reflect their sociopathy.
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@Tattie @jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross it’s a style of political discourse. Put in a policy, be oblivious to all the higher order effects and then be really angry when they inevitably manifest.
@Tattie @jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross I don’t think I could bear to label them romantics.
For start I’d be thinking of ballets in that style and *no*.
Though if someone would dance them to death (see Giselle) I’d take it.
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@Tattie @jackwilliambell @ariaflame @cstross it’s a style of political discourse. Put in a policy, be oblivious to all the higher order effects and then be really angry when they inevitably manifest.
@Colman Klein's concept of the "manic defence" definitely comes into play there, tho I'm not sure that's what you were going for
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@cstross I can't read the Atlantic article, do they address how conveniently the administration's planning failure worked out for Russia?
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/12/us/politics/trump-russia-oil-sanctions.html
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@Colman @Tattie @ariaflame @cstross
I learned a long time ago someone who knows as much as you do about a subject can have *entirely different opinions about it*. Not everyone thinks the same.
And, as you point out, not everyone's *thinking styles* are the same.
And it's not always cultural differences in play either. But the real problem here is these people lack empathy, and their thinking styles reflect their sociopathy.
@jackwilliambell @Tattie @ariaflame @cstross this isn’t about different interpretations of agreed facts. This is outright denial of facts and complete disregard for any higher order consequences of their actions.
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@cstross starting to wonder if the LLM that told them this was all ‘a great idea’ wasn’t told to check back on earlier wars in the region.
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The Atlantic: Why Trump Didn’t Plan for the Strait of Hormuz
In wartime, the enemy always gets a vote.
(These people are deeply unserious. I mean, they *must* be old enough to remember the 1980-88 tanker war and the vital role the Straits of Hormuz played back then, right?)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/hormuz-strait-iran-oil/686365/
@cstross "Why Trump didn't plan for the strait of hormuz?"
"cause he's a fucking moron."
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